joejoesox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Quote White Sox (9) Nicky Lopez (5.139): $5.1MM Matt Foster (4.093): $900K Garrett Crochet (4.028): $2.9MM Enyel De Los Santos (4.015): $1.7MM Andrew Vaughn (4.000): $6.4MM Justin Anderson (3.122): $1.1MM Jimmy Lambert (3.108): $1.2MM Gavin Sheets (3.076): $2.6MM Steven Wilson (3.000): $1MM I don't see how you bring back Vaughn at that price. Wouldn't be shocked if they bring back Sheets though https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html Edited October 2 by joejoesox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 19 minutes ago, joejoesox said: I don't see how you bring back Vaughn at that price. Wouldn't be shocked if they bring back Sheets though https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2025.html I would think Vaughn and Lopez are gone cause of $$. Lopez is no good and Vaughn seems to be mediocre prospect at best. Jerry can save 11 million between the two to give mediocre relief pitcher candidates. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 $6M for Vaughn or $5M for Lopez would be a travesty. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 You let Vaughn and Nicky walk and replace them with telephone poles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Nicky Lopez at just over $5 million. Talk about burning money. Vaughn and Sheets for a combined $9 million? You could sign a random vet 1B that would be better. They should just let them go and play anyone else at 1B. The rest of the salaries are reasonable, but I probably wouldn’t waste a million on Justin Anderson. He’s disposable. Edited October 2 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Vaughn is going nowhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Getz isn’t tied to the Vaughn draft selection…but they did go out of their way to focus on him as a leader after the deadline, at least guys such as Scott Merkin covering the team on a daily basis. If you trade Vaughn do you want Benintendi to basically be the face of the team when he won’t be on the next playoff squad? (It probably has to come from Smith and/or Schultz leading the future rotation.) I suggested someone like Jose Iglesias to set the tone on the infield as the vocal leader of the team…it’s definitely not going to be coming from Amaya or Baldwin. Then at least you have a captain/role model to drive expectations for Sosa Vargas Ramos Montgomery, to set the tone for how to play the game the right way…and a replacement of sorts for Hispanic players to gravitate towards, Edited October 2 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 34 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If you trade Vaughn do you want Benintendi to basically be the face of the team when he won’t be on the next playoff squad? This doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Vaughn and Lopez should be the easiest non-tender decisions imaginable, but Getz will no doubt find a way to f*** this up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said: This doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things Maybe not…but eventually SOME of these position players will be foundation pieces. Montgomery and Quero, to name two. Then you still have Fletcher Lee Vargas Sosa Ramos Colas Baldwin DeLoach Elko Julks that need proper leadership/instruction. Maybe it will end up being Sheets and Benintendi, if they do actually move on from Andrew Vaughn. Edited October 2 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 No one cares about the face of a 100+ loss team. Did anyone care about it this year? No. So no one will care about it when they lose 100+ games next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: No one cares about the face of a 100+ loss team. Did anyone care about it this year? No. So no one will care about it when they lose 100+ games next season. They cerainly cared about clearing the team of "bad influences" though. In a vacuum, something has to emerge to fill it. And they still care a lot about marketing aka selling tickets to a rapidly shrinking fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, caulfield12 said: They cerainly cared about clearing the team of "bad influences" though. In a vacuum, something has to emerge to fill it. And they still care a lot about marketing aka selling tickets to a rapidly shrinking fanbase. Yeah, that was a part of Getz’s failed strategy — that defense and leadership was going to improve the team. Give me some asshole players with talent and the Sox will win more games than with nice guys who suck at baseball. I don’t think we should worry about what the Sox did. It led to a record-setting piece of garbage team. Whatever Getz’s plan ever is, he should do the exact opposite. Think George Costanza in that Seinfeld episode called “The Opposite”. Edited October 2 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 9 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: $6M for Vaughn or $5M for Lopez would be a travesty. Lopez is an easy non-tender. The only thing going for Vaughn is no one else is knocking on the door in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 8 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Vaughn and Lopez should be the easiest non-tender decisions imaginable, but Getz will no doubt find a way to f*** this up. He’ll trade the two of them for players under guaranteed contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I’m just as sick of Vaughn as the rest of y’all but, considering the context, I don’t see the harm in giving him one more chance to realize his potential. It’s going to be yet another season of seeing what you have in guys, so they certainly have the time. He isnt blocking anyone that’s more important to the future. The $6M price tag doesn’t matter since they will not be spending/reallocating that money in a meaningful way anyway. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Crochet, obviously. And Wilson. Foster too, I guess. That's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 7 minutes ago, Snopek said: I’m just as sick of Vaughn as the rest of y’all but, considering the context, I don’t see the harm in giving him one more chance to realize his potential. It’s going to be yet another season of seeing what you have in guys, so they certainly have the time. He isnt blocking anyone that’s more important to the future. The $6M price tag doesn’t matter since they will not be spending/reallocating that money in a meaningful way anyway. I am onboard with your thoughts on Vaughn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I have never thought Vaughn had much of a ceiling but I don't think there's any reason not to give him one more year. What's the alternative? Sheets everyday? Or some journeyman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 36 players had 400 or more PAs while playing 1B. According to Fangraphs Vaughn pulls up as #31 in terms of WAR at -0.2. The Great Gavin Sheets pops in at #35 or -0.9. Yes, the White Sox managed to pull a negative 1.1 WAR at 1b. This has to be history. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=1b&qual=400&pagenum=1&pageitems=50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 9 hours ago, fathom said: Vaughn is going nowhere agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 9 minutes ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: I have never thought Vaughn had much of a ceiling but I don't think there's any reason not to give him one more year. What's the alternative? Sheets everyday? Or some journeyman? Right. If there was a decent FA to sign that you could maybe flip later then maybe. But there’s no one knocking on the door and they need to finally move on from Sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 hours ago, fathom said: Vaughn is going nowhere 36 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: agreed None of this makes any sense. He's just not worth the arb cost. He's a bad baseball player. I'll be pretty disappointed if they tender him at that price. It should be an easy decision. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 minute ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: None of this makes any sense. He's just not worth the arb cost. He's a bad baseball player. I'll be pretty disappointed if they tender him at that price. It should be an easy decision. Who would you try to replace him with? They won’t sign Alonso, Goldschmidt or Christian Walker. Unless that’s where you want to stick Vargas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank the Tank 35 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Vaughn is the type of player the Sox should be targeting during the rebuild: former top prospect with a high pedigree from a failed organizational development program. This would, of course, presume that we would have the capability to fix said post-hype player which we have shown minimal ability to do in the past. If this off-season's staff overhaul includes a monumental investment in analytics and coaches that can apply that, then we might be onto something. Critically, it's our only path forward out of this morass that should bring any reasonable Sox fan hope. However, neither bringing in a placeholder journeyman nor a high priced FA makes sense at this stage of the "rebuild." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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