hogan873 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Who would you try to replace him with? They won’t sign Alonso, Goldschmidt or Christian Walker. Unless that’s where you want to stick Vargas. The Sox probably don't care too much about who they plug in at 1B, especially if they don't go after one of the guys you mentioned. There are a few options that would likely cost less than $6.4M, but I'm not sure they'd be much better than Vaughn: Rowdy Tellez Carlos Santana Joey Gallo Anthony Rizzo (club option) Mark Canha Dom Smith Jose Abreu (league minimum) Aside from Rizzo, who will probably be signed by someone for more than $6M, none of these guys would likely be any better than Vaughn. He's a known player, and the Sox apparently like what he does outside of hitting and scrapping around first base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Sad thing is it was a joke in my mind at first, but the Braves make a ton of sense. Too bad we didn’t get Schwellenbach last year. Love watching him pitch. I saw him in HS and thought he was a hitter. It's crazy to see how good of a pitcher he's become. I would be surprised if Crochet is traded to the Braves. I think/hope other teams will offer a better package than what the Braves could offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 20 minutes ago, hogan873 said: The Sox probably don't care too much about who they plug in at 1B, especially if they don't go after one of the guys you mentioned. There are a few options that would likely cost less than $6.4M, but I'm not sure they'd be much better than Vaughn: Rowdy Tellez Carlos Santana Joey Gallo Anthony Rizzo (club option) Mark Canha Dom Smith Jose Abreu (league minimum) Aside from Rizzo, who will probably be signed by someone for more than $6M, none of these guys would likely be any better than Vaughn. He's a known player, and the Sox apparently like what he does outside of hitting and scrapping around first base. This is exactly what I am trying to say. There are other cheap options. If you really want Andrew, non-tender him and bring him back for a number that looks more like 2024's salary. Especially if we are so damned budget crunched that we need to ruin a Crochet return by including Benny, take the common sense moves to cut payroll first. $6 million for a no hit, no field 1B in 2024 is insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 28 minutes ago, hogan873 said: The Sox probably don't care too much about who they plug in at 1B, especially if they don't go after one of the guys you mentioned. There are a few options that would likely cost less than $6.4M, but I'm not sure they'd be much better than Vaughn: Rowdy Tellez Carlos Santana Joey Gallo Anthony Rizzo (club option) Mark Canha Dom Smith Jose Abreu (league minimum) Aside from Rizzo, who will probably be signed by someone for more than $6M, none of these guys would likely be any better than Vaughn. He's a known player, and the Sox apparently like what he does outside of hitting and scrapping around first base. Yeah, see if Gallo will sign for a $1M. f*** it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Vaughn stinks and isn’t worth $6M…but there is still a 1 in a million “what if” chance he figures something out. I don’t think you can say the same for any of the alternatives. And I don’t care if Jerry saves $3-4M on the bottom shelf budget. Not like that $ is going to be used productively. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be sad if Vaughn goes, but the $ part of it is meaningless to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Vaughn stinks and isn’t worth $6M…but there is still a 1 in a million “what if” chance he figures something out. I don’t think you can say the same for any of the alternatives. And I don’t care if Jerry saves $3-4M on the bottom shelf budget. Not like that $ is going to be used productively. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be sad if Vaughn goes, but the $ part of it is meaningless to me If he's being paid $1 million and a legit team realizes they could use a platoon 1b (Houston is an actual candidate here) they might send you a minor league reliever for him at the deadline. If he's being paid $5 million, they'll pass unless Reinsdorf covers some of the money. You may assess the odds of that happening yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 The thing is, I trust that he’ll do well in a different organization, so we’ll look like fools if we let him go. He’ll still continue to struggle if he stays, so we’ll look like fools if we keep him. Lesson being: the Sox will look like fools regardless of the decision they make, because we don’t know how to develop players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If he's being paid $1 million and a legit team realizes they could use a platoon 1b (Houston is an actual candidate here) they might send you a minor league reliever for him at the deadline. If he's being paid $5 million, they'll pass unless Reinsdorf covers some of the money. You may assess the odds of that happening yourself. I actually thought he was a great fit to platoon (.772 OPS against LHP) in Houston with Singleton (.773 OPS against RHP), but then you're limiting your bench with a 1B only player (not that their primary DH can't play the OF I guess). Edited October 2 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I am trying to say. There are other cheap options. If you really want Andrew, non-tender him and bring him back for a number that looks more like 2024's salary. Especially if we are so damned budget crunched that we need to ruin a Crochet return by including Benny, take the common sense moves to cut payroll first. $6 million for a no hit, no field 1B in 2024 is insanity. Right. If they do tender Vaughn, they'd be doing it for the wrong reasons. Just because they like his leadership is no reason to give him $6.4M to be bad at baseball. Just bring back Jose for his leadership and pay him league minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) Profar was signed for just $1 million and will be a downballot NL MVP candidate. Or someone one like Donovan Solano that has the flexibility to play every infield position for $1 million as well. Edited October 2 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If he's being paid $1 million and a legit team realizes they could use a platoon 1b (Houston is an actual candidate here) they might send you a minor league reliever for him at the deadline. If he's being paid $5 million, they'll pass unless Reinsdorf covers some of the money. You may assess the odds of that happening yourself. Why on earth would Vaughn choose to come back if he’s DFA’d? Why wouldn’t Houston (or any other team) sign him for $2M if that’s all it takes? It’s DFA Vaughn and say your goodbyes OR overpay him by $4M(ish) for 1 more year and pray for a miracle with a new coaching staff. Like I said, I don’t really care either way, but I don’t see a world where an in between exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: Why on earth would Vaughn choose to come back if he’s DFA’d? Why wouldn’t Houston (or any other team) sign him for $2M if that’s all it takes? It’s DFA Vaughn and say your goodbyes OR overpay him by $4M(ish) for 1 more year and pray for a miracle with a new coaching staff. Like I said, I don’t really care either way, but I don’t see a world where an in between exists. Who the hell is going to pick up Andrew Vaughn and give him the starting 1B job? That's why he'd come back. He isn't worth half of what they paid him last year, let alone a jump to $6.4M. Its the cold reality of the business side of baseball, and a lesson young Andrew will soon learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Vaughn would be a good fit with the Reds next year. His opposite field power (warning track power) would fit way better there. He would have hit over 30 homers if he played for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: No one is sayng he hasn't been a massive disapointment but a player is more than his war or xrc. They like his work ethic and leadership and after what they have gone thru the last few years and where they currently are as an organization that's more important to them than a couple wins. If he has another disappointing season they can move on from him after the '25 season. btw-I'll take the under on that arb number. This is gross and it makes me lose even more faith in the decision makers. Also, he's not worth whatever the under is either. $5 million is too much because he stinks. Would you pay Lenyn Sosa that much? I bet he'd produce similarly playing 1B with the same number of plate appearances. 1 hour ago, fathom said: Sad thing is it was a joke in my mind at first, but the Braves make a ton of sense. Too bad we didn’t get Schwellenbach last year. Love watching him pitch. Yeah I'm pretty confident that it won't be Atlanta. They want position players. 1 hour ago, T R U said: It makes sense to me, doesn't mean its the right move. They aren't going to be signing anyone of significance in free agency, and they have no one beating down the door at first base. So what if you pay Vaughn $6 million next season, maybe he becomes flippable at the deadline. Why would he flippable? He sucks and nobody wants him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Maybe the the Twins if they move on from Santana and aren't sure about Luke K or Kiriloff at 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: This is gross and it makes me lose even more faith in the decision makers. Also, he's not worth whatever the under is either. $5 million is too much because he stinks. Would you pay Lenyn Sosa that much? I bet he'd produce similarly playing 1B with the same number of plate appearances. Yeah I'm pretty confident that it won't be Atlanta. They want position players. Why would he flippable? He sucks and nobody wants him. You're right, he does suck, but for a team in a ground zero rebuild I don't see how spending $6 million on Vaughn for next season has any negatives. Best case scenario he can be between .750 - .800 OPS around July and we can get something for him. Worst case scenario, he still sucks and you either DFA him or certainly non tender him in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 6 hours ago, Snopek said: I’m just as sick of Vaughn as the rest of y’all but, considering the context, I don’t see the harm in giving him one more chance to realize his potential. It’s going to be yet another season of seeing what you have in guys, so they certainly have the time. He isnt blocking anyone that’s more important to the future. The $6M price tag doesn’t matter since they will not be spending/reallocating that money in a meaningful way anyway. They made a big deal this preseason, showing Vaughn talking with Konerko, and Konerko basically telling Vaughn, "This is your make or break year". With all that fanfare, Vaughn clocked in as a replacement player. I wouldn't have a problem with them keeping him, but I could also see a DFA for Vaughn, and a Sheets/Elko platoon. It would be nice for them to not rebreak the loss record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Move on from both Sheets and Vaughn. Neither guy has any profile better than 2 WAR even with better hitting. I'd rather put Colas at 1st next year then see either guy on the roster. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Who the hell is going to pick up Andrew Vaughn and give him the starting 1B job? That's why he'd come back. He isn't worth half of what they paid him last year, let alone a jump to $6.4M. Its the cold reality of the business side of baseball, and a lesson young Andrew will soon learn. There will always be an option for a 26 year old former top 10 pick. Not saying he’s going to be handed a starting job, but you’re also only looking at it from 1 perspective. You don’t think Vaughn wants a fresh start from this hell hole of an organization? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 8 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: There will always be an option for a 26 year old former top 10 pick. Not saying he’s going to be handed a starting job, but you’re also only looking at it from 1 perspective. You don’t think Vaughn wants a fresh start from this hell hole of an organization? I'd be surprised if anybody other than Chicago offers him a starting gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 24 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I'd be surprised if anybody other than Chicago offers him a starting gig. A handful of team will/would 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I’d rather bring in some AAAA bats who never got a real shot in the majors than give another +600 plate appearances to Vaughn. There is zero reason to believe at this point that he will ever figure things out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Tender him just to piss him off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, T R U said: You're right, he does suck, but for a team in a ground zero rebuild I don't see how spending $6 million on Vaughn for next season has any negatives. Best case scenario he can be between .750 - .800 OPS around July and we can get something for him. Worst case scenario, he still sucks and you either DFA him or certainly non tender him in the offseason. If you DFA him, you're still paying $6 million. If they moved Korey Lee to 1B and gave him 600+ PAs, he'd hit 20 HRs. The more comments I read, the more I look at B-R.com. The more I see there, I am further sold that Vaughn is Gaughn. On top of that, I seriously think the league is suppressing salaries by everyone cutting payroll. In that austere environment, Vaughn needs to be cut to be paid market rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, T R U said: You're right, he does suck, but for a team in a ground zero rebuild I don't see how spending $6 million on Vaughn for next season has any negatives. Best case scenario he can be between .750 - .800 OPS around July and we can get something for him. Worst case scenario, he still sucks and you either DFA him or certainly non tender him in the offseason. again, where are you seeing Vaughn as a potential 750-800 OPS guy? he's nowhere near that, and even giving him the benefit of the doubt and saying he has untapped potential, the Sox aren't unlocking it. like someone else said, put Vargas at 1B and upgrade 3B or just play Ramos there for a year, or hell maybe Colson lands at 3B in August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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