Chimpton Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 15 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Sorry, my response was more tangential. A guy like Marcus Semien probably would have been a bad 2B who hit some, for us. Fully developed in Oakland. I don't think there's any hope for Vaughn here, right now. I don't think there's any hope for him elsewhere, unless some other team decides to give him a swift kick. Yes, Semien was one that left the Sox and went on to have a good MLB career. I think you are right about Vaughn, and I think that is a great condemnation of how the organisation have attempted to develop him. He was supposedly a sure fire hitter at MLB level with an iffy glove and somehow he has turned into a poor hitter and a poor fielder. Edited October 2 by Chimpton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 He's another example of a guy that was rushed to the majors plus being forced to play out of position. It's no wonder his stats are what they are. He would have spent a couple years getting ready in a quality organization. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 He needs to hit the weights and bulk up. He's already slow and can't get much slower. He's already a s%*# defender and can't get much shittier. At the very least, he needs to hit home runs. Otherwise he's useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 1 hour ago, Paulie4Pres said: He needs to hit the weights and bulk up. He's already slow and can't get much slower. He's already a s%*# defender and can't get much shittier. At the very least, he needs to hit home runs. Otherwise he's useless. Another overrated theory in baseball. Misconception in most sports. He's a trademark of the KW era that the weaknesses can be coached out of a player when it comes to defense and base running. Modern baseball seems to have this habit of dumbing down 1B. Anyone can play it. I don't agree since they handle a baseball as much as anyone else. Having a stud 2b helps. Oh wait that's another big hole the organization has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I never understood drafting a player who physically can only play one position not named catcher. I've come to the conclusion that it can't be any worse by replacing a bad player usually becomes that it actually is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: Another overrated theory in baseball. Misconception in most sports. He's a trademark of the KW era that the weaknesses can be coached out of a player when it comes to defense and base running. Modern baseball seems to have this habit of dumbing down 1B. Anyone can play it. I don't agree since they handle a baseball as much as anyone else. Having a stud 2b helps. Oh wait that's another big hole the organization has. Yeah, I mean, guys weren't hitting 60-70 HRs when jacked taking steroids or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 He’s nothing to get excited about and I dislike the arb estimate. I’d try to settle around $5M, and if he doesn’t like it non tender. They don’t have any better options though and signing someone comparable from the FA market will likely cost more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 hours ago, Jerry McNertney said: I wouldn't be surprised if Vaughn goes and is replaced by Elko, a lefthanded bat. Tim Elko is a right handed bat, and had comparable numbers in AA and AAA to AV in the majors. And he’s like 8 months younger than AV. Tim Elko isn’t the answer. He also doesn’t even need to be added to the 40 man until Dec 2025. No reason pencil him in; he’ll likely get his chance next season anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I agree that if he will sign for under that estimate, it’s whatever. Also wouldn’t be upset if they non-tendered to go with someone for a $1M or 2. Next year is going to suck and Vaughn doesn’t move the needle either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 If they elect not to keep AV, fine. But don’t turn around and give his $5-6M to 40 year old Carlos Santana or washed up Josh Bell. Just let Vargas play 1B. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 I do think there's some hidden value in his ability to be consistent (albeit slightly below average) and remain healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 10 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: I do think there's some hidden value in his ability to be consistent (albeit slightly below average) and remain healthy. Then sign Leury. He was consistent and healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 49 minutes ago, JoeC said: Then sign Leury. He was consistent and healthy. He wasn't in his last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 He was consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socksless joe Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/2/2024 at 1:21 PM, JoeC said: If the choice for 1B is between Vaughn or Sheets, I take the "fire the GM" option. Getz wasn't the GM that promoted them to sit on the bench behind Jose Abreu or the one who put two 1st basemen in the outfield ruining their progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 When he was drafted, I was as big of Andrew Vaughn fan as there was. Everything I saw, everything I read , was so positive. This was a guy who made pitchers throw strikes. I was so excited. But he still misses pitches by 2 feet. His numbers are basically the same every year. If they keep him one more year, just in case, I'll get it, but it's probably time to move on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 AV needs declined way cheaper and better options available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 58 minutes ago, socksless joe said: Getz wasn't the GM that promoted them to sit on the bench behind Jose Abreu or the one who put two 1st basemen in the outfield ruining their progress. But he IS the GM who has had them on this roster, and hasn't done anything to replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/3/2024 at 2:10 PM, JoeC said: Then sign Leury. He was consistent and healthy. Except they overplayed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 32 minutes ago, Texsox said: Except they overplayed him. …but he was consistent and healthy. nobody said anything about the quality of production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 On 10/2/2024 at 1:14 PM, southsider2k5 said: -0.2 fWAR. He is a no hit, no field 1B only. He has no value. He gaughn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Nothing defines the Meh Sox better than AV where 700 makes you a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 12 hours ago, Dick Allen said: When he was drafted, I was as big of Andrew Vaughn fan as there was. Everything I saw, everything I read , was so positive. This was a guy who made pitchers throw strikes. I was so excited. But he still misses pitches by 2 feet. His numbers are basically the same every year. If they keep him one more year, just in case, I'll get it, but it's probably time to move on. This is why I hated the idea of a tank/rebuild. What was Vaughn, third pick overall? And a complete bust. Teams that try to win thru the draft via the tank route are ill advised to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 18 minutes ago, greg775 said: This is why I hated the idea of a tank/rebuild. What was Vaughn, third pick overall? And a complete bust. Teams that try to win thru the draft via the tank route are ill advised to do so. And the Blue Jays, for example. Others will now argue the Orioles have nothing to show for all their lean years as well. But, as any White Sox fan knows, constant retooling has meant what type of playoff record from 1990-2012? If the Royals didn’t bottom out, no Witt Jr. and no playoffs. Runs like the Tigers or Mets this year happen once a generation for fans of most teams. MLB has now gone decades without a repeat champion. Compare that to the Chiefs or Patriots. You can make the playoffs every year with superstar QBs but it doesn’t work that way for baseball teams normally. Just look at the Angels with Trout and Ohtani. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 It shows how low our expectations are when I see sign Leury and play Vargas at 1B. Death should be an option in those choices. We like to redefine suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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