caulfield12 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 hours ago, greg775 said: Vaughn is an interesting study. Once in a while he gets hot and rakes. He's had over 500 at bats three years in a row now with RBI totals of 70, 80 and 76. Strike out totals are ridiculous at 132, 129 and 96. Batting averages of .246 last year, .258 and .271. Obviously he's one of those guys trying to hit a homer every at bat thus he's an abject failure in that regard with just 19 HRs last season and career high of 21 homers. His production may be blah but the Sox will have to replace some of his production next season as he's probably the best hitter in the Sox horrible lineup as it stands. And he's the most recognizable offensive player left standing after Robert...along with Benintendi. But will that honestly sell any tickets? Would it cost any ticket sales if Elko or Ramos were getting those at bats instead? Doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And he's the most recognizable offensive player left standing after Robert...along with Benintendi. But will that honestly sell any tickets? Would it cost any ticket sales if Elko or Ramos were getting those at bats instead? Doubtful. I feel bad for anyone who would pay money to specifically watch Andrew Vaughn play baseball. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 The Dick’s Sporting Goods by me has two Sox players shirts for sale. Robert and Vaughn, and Robert’s was on sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 2 minutes ago, fathom said: The Dick’s Sporting Goods by me has two Sox players shirts for sale. Robert and Vaughn, and Robert’s was on sale. Reminiscent of the days when the Cubs had about 7-8 jerseys outselling Abreu...even Joe Maddon. Apathy with Cubs fans now...and whatever is well well below that with the Sox current situation. Does anyone even have the energy to burn old Moncada TA or Jimenez jerseys ? Pointless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 51 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And he's the most recognizable offensive player left standing after Robert...along with Benintendi. But will that honestly sell any tickets? Would it cost any ticket sales if Elko or Ramos were getting those at bats instead? Doubtful. No. He sells no tickets. he's just another guy. But I've been told on this site a lot ticket sales mean nothing. It's all about revenue sharing and TV money. Although you'd think parking would be significant revenue accumulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 41 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Apathy with Cubs fans now...and whatever is well well below that with the Sox current situation. The Sox are the bottom of baseball but the Cubs probably are just as annoying to their fans. They are mediocre at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 1 hour ago, greg775 said: The Sox are the bottom of baseball but the Cubs probably are just as annoying to their fans. They are mediocre at best. It would take a 40 game improvement for the Sox to be mediocre. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Sox need several players including a DH that hits 30+ HR. I suggested Santander as one possibility. Spend some money and the team could conceivably get back to .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, tray said: Sox need several players including a DH that hits 30+ HR. I suggested Santander as one possibility. Spend some money and the team could conceivably get back to .500. That was "mired in mediocrity" which is a death-like fate now with three clearly better teams in CLE KC DET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, tray said: Sox need several players including a DH that hits 30+ HR. I suggested Santander as one possibility. Spend some money and the team could conceivably get back to .500. It would take an awful lot to go right just to sniff the .500 mark in my opinion. Just not realistic with this organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: It would take an awful lot to go right just to sniff the .500 mark in my opinion. Just not realistic with this organization. Odds are higher Santander becomes another albatross contract at that age were the Sox to sign him for 3-5 years...you're certainly NOT going to see that investment from Baltimore. That's the whole point of having a productive farm system. Edited October 29 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 We would need to improve by 40 wins just to get to mediocrity. Unless your definition of "several" is 15~20, we're more than "several players" away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Santander would be very much a Rick Hahn and Kenny Williams type signing. 30 year old DH, .300 OBP, other than relievers that’s like their dream player. That said, my current expectation is that Getz will sign a couple of his previous overpaid vets for leadership, keep Clevinger for his important leadership in domestic violence and teaching teammates how to harass a woman online, and drop the payroll down below $80 million. This will give Reinsdorf and the owners a big payday and also keep the payroll commitments low, making it easier to sell or move the team by limiting the cash they need to come up with for payroll. By comparison with that, I’d be ok with Santander, at least it’s an effort to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 hours ago, JoeC said: We would need to improve by 40 wins just to get to mediocrity. Unless your definition of "several" is 15~20, we're more than "several players" away. It's hard to squint and even see several major leaguers on the whole roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/27/2024 at 2:27 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I feel bad for anyone who would pay money to specifically watch Andrew Vaughn play baseball. Wasn't Crochet a draw? The Sacamento A's will have a far better attendance. This organization has created such a hole that without spending money it will be a decade and won't recover the fanbase. Sure they are going to do what the other teams do but it has yet to erase bad teams. They have a GM that has no business being in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: It's hard to squint and even see several major leaguers on the whole roster. Ever since I read this, I've been squinting as hard as I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 On 10/27/2024 at 4:27 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I feel bad for anyone who would pay money to specifically watch Andrew Vaughn play baseball. I was going to make a joke then I realized Mom's and girlfriends wouldn't have to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 3 minutes ago, Texsox said: I was going to make a joke then I realized Mom's and girlfriends wouldn't have to pay. Yet they could probably hit for more power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 How did the Royals go from 106 losses to the playoffs in one year? Obviously they built around a generational talent in Bobby Witt Junior but one guy is not responsible for turning things around so dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 12 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: How did the Royals go from 106 losses to the playoffs in one year? Obviously they built around a generational talent in Bobby Witt Junior but one guy is not responsible for turning things around so dramatically. Two guys: Witt and Salvy. Salvy had a great season, bad postseason. Our fans would have never wanted Salvy, too old like Abreu. Also Royals signed two "starting pitchers" who had great seasons and their bullpen guys were above average unlike the Sox wretched starters and bullpen. ... Also don't forget they owned the White Sox and the White Sox series came at perfect times for the Royals. They were starting to slip in each of them but sweeps of the Sox got them going again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 24 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: How did the Royals go from 106 losses to the playoffs in one year? Obviously they built around a generational talent in Bobby Witt Junior but one guy is not responsible for turning things around so dramatically. Obviously signing Lugo and Wacha and turning Aroldis Chapman into one of the ten best starters in the AL in Ragans...although he's already had multiple TJ surgeries, less overall wear and tear because of all the missed time and second surgery was a revision compared to complete reconstruction. They already had Brady Singer. Along with Witt Salvy Pasquantino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 They did stuff we would roast our front office for but they got lucky and it worked out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 56 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: How did the Royals go from 106 losses to the playoffs in one year? Obviously they built around a generational talent in Bobby Witt Junior but one guy is not responsible for turning things around so dramatically. They got the White Sox for 13 games. If it were 6, they were probably screwed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 6 hours ago, tray said: Sox need several players including a DH that hits 30+ HR. I suggested Santander as one possibility. Spend some money and the team could conceivably get back to .500. Worst offense in baseball history isn’t a Santander away from being .500. I do hope they add some sort of veteran bat on a short-term deal, but I wouldn’t go 3+ years for someone like Santander at his likely cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Worst offense in baseball history isn’t a Santander away from being .500. I do hope they add some sort of veteran bat on a short-term deal, but I wouldn’t go 3+ years for someone like Santander at his likely cost. And there really is no hope on the horizon for a relatively quick fix. The catcher will help the catcher offensive numbers, but rookie catchers usually don’t hit much. Montgomery leaves a bunch of doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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