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https://twinsdaily.com/news-rumors/minnesota-twins/one-year-from-now-predicting-the-2025-twins-lineup-r16519/

Even if Brooks Lee was considered the industry equivalent of Montgomery, the Twins also have a better farm system and Walker Jenkins is projected as a future superstar.

https://puckettspond.com/posts/minnesota-twins-pitching-rotation-future-success

Not to mention they're likely going to replace Baldelli and Jhoan Duran is due for a rebound season with far better health.

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I don’t know. I don’t think it’s gonna be that hard. Get three or four really good position players, surrounded by average players and make sure the pitching is sound;  that gives you a chance.
 

The thing is the White Sox head zero average players this year.  Not one. Oh maybe Benitendi if you really stretch the definition.  

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  On 10/3/2024 at 1:32 AM, GreenSox said:

I don’t know. I don’t think it’s gonna be that hard. Get three or four really good position players, surrounded by average players and make sure the pitching is sound;  that gives you a chance.
 

The thing is the White Sox head zero average players this year.  Not one. Oh maybe Benitendi if you really stretch the definition.  

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Without FA and a high #1 draft pick, it's almost impossible.

The only way is trading Crochet and trusting Getz.

https://www.milb.com/player/jac-caglianone-695506#:~:text=Draft: 2024, Kansas City Royals, Round:

.690 ops in Quad Cities...at least two if not three years away from the majors.

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  On 10/3/2024 at 1:36 AM, caulfield12 said:

Without FA and a high #1 draft pick, it's almost impossible.

The only way is trading Crochet and trusting Getz.

https://www.milb.com/player/jac-caglianone-695506#:~:text=Draft: 2024, Kansas City Royals, Round:

.690 ops in Quad Cities...at least two if not three years away from the majors.

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They didn't do squat with their high draft picks anyway.  
Robert rebounds, Montgomery is the real deal.  1/2 of Fletcher, Ramos, Sosa, Lee, Vargas, DeLoach, Elko turns into average players.  
That's a start.

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  On 10/3/2024 at 1:46 AM, GreenSox said:

They didn't do squat with their high draft picks anyway.  
Robert rebounds, Montgomery is the real deal.  1/2 of Fletcher, Ramos, Sosa, Lee, Vargas, DeLoach, Elko turns into average players.  
That's a start.

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Good luck ticket agents trying to convince anyone to buy in.

The real test is probably 2026 when Montgomery Quero Schultz Smith need to be making significant contributions.

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I'll bet the Twins don't have the pitchers in the minors the Sox do. It probably won't happen because of injuries, but

we really do have a chance at a big 3. Schultz, Smith and Grant Taylor stack up to any organizations best pitching

prospects. We've already got Crochet, Cannon, Sean Burke, Iriarte and a few others now. Good pitching could help 

turn the team around in 2-3 years. don't forget the 4-5 relievers in the minors like Pallette, Adler and the Throwin'

Samoan.

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  On 10/3/2024 at 7:34 PM, zisk said:

I'll bet the Twins don't have the pitchers in the minors the Sox do. It probably won't happen because of injuries, but

we really do have a chance at a big 3. Schultz, Smith and Grant Taylor stack up to any organizations best pitching

prospects. We've already got Crochet, Cannon, Sean Burke, Iriarte and a few others now. Good pitching could help 

turn the team around in 2-3 years. don't forget the 4-5 relievers in the minors like Pallette, Adler and the Throwin'

Samoan.

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Sure, when we find an offense that isn't offensive.

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Obviously, injuries and performing less than expected could happen for any of the White Sox top prospects. We're seeing some concerns with Montgomery which is a huge concern given how thin the White Sox hitting prospects are, but, if they want to build around pitching, they need to develop all of these prospects and keep drafting them high to have more in the pipeline since they won't pay anyone who's good and we're only have any good young pitchers for 3-4 seasons before financial decisions are made.

But....if they can develop pitching....big IF, but they do have talent AND they complement the offense with a mixture of young talent and veteran free agents (another big IF, AND probably won't add much this off-season), they can compete. Whether they win or stay competitive would depend on the health and success of their player development.

There's no long-term strategy that is likely to be successful though if they aren't willing to spend on their own talent and impactful free agents.

They are giving a false impression that they should only build through the minors...that's fine, and can be sustainable, but it's also near impossible to do for more than short stretches.

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We're also looking at a situation where the Cleveland Detroit and KC GM's are going to finish 1-2-3 in the AL Executive of the Year competition.

Yes Rick Hahn also won it once.

So basically Montgomery Quero Smith Schultz Taylor and Burke all fulfill their potential...and cheaply.

How many wins does that get you to without major free agent spending and a solid bullpen?

Let's even imagine the 2026 draft pick is more Witt Jr. and less 2024 Holliday.

Is that a .500 team?   Maybe.  But absolutely everything would have to break right.

And how often outside of 2005 has that ever happened with this franchise?

 

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  On 10/3/2024 at 1:48 AM, caulfield12 said:

Good luck ticket agents trying to convince anyone to buy in.

The real test is probably 2026 when Montgomery Quero Schultz Smith need to be making significant contributions.

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The Royals did it off of their 50-something wins.

They have one great position player.  Perez had a solid rebound. A couple of other decent hitters.  And that's it.

It will be imperative to get a manager on board who is a)a good manager and b) has an excellent reputation. No clowns from the Pirates or anything.

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I gotta say, 5 years is an eternity in sports. Walker Jenkins is a potential stud, but the Sox could have the #1 pick in 2026. Guys who are really significant prospects will be nobodies and marginal players will be stars. I'm willing to say the Sox are for sure losing a 100+ games next year. After that? Who knows?

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  On 10/3/2024 at 1:46 AM, GreenSox said:

They didn't do squat with their high draft picks anyway.  
Robert rebounds, Montgomery is the real deal.  1/2 of Fletcher, Ramos, Sosa, Lee, Vargas, DeLoach, Elko turns into average players.  
That's a start.

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Their might achievement might be 70 wins within a decade.  You can run analytics all day but still have the wrong people making decisions.

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  On 10/3/2024 at 10:44 PM, caulfield12 said:

We're also looking at a situation where the Cleveland Detroit and KC GM's are going to finish 1-2-3 in the AL Executive of the Year competition.

Yes Rick Hahn also won it once.

So basically Montgomery Quero Smith Schultz Taylor and Burke all fulfill their potential...and cheaply.

How many wins does that get you to without major free agent spending and a solid bullpen?

Let's even imagine the 2026 draft pick is more Witt Jr. and less 2024 Holliday.

Is that a .500 team?   Maybe.  But absolutely everything would have to break right.

And how often outside of 2005 has that ever happened with this franchise?

 

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As you can see people will bring up other organization did this or that bt the reality it's the White Sox.   I doubt anything is gonna happen like other organizations unless you want to throw in the Marlins and A's.

 

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  On 10/4/2024 at 3:45 AM, kitekrazy said:

As you can see people will bring up other organization did this or that bt the reality it's the White Sox.   I doubt anything is gonna happen like other organizations unless you want to throw in the Marlins and A's.

 

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If all of the stars somehow line up, and the Sox score big on all of their lottery ticket scrap heap additions, it would be SOOOOOO White Sox to finish with the 10th-worst record in the league in 2025 (by the aforementioned combination of “good luck”), then suck again in 2026.

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  On 10/4/2024 at 11:44 AM, JoeC said:

If all of the stars somehow line up, and the Sox score big on all of their lottery ticket scrap heap additions, it would be SOOOOOO White Sox to finish with the 10th-worst record in the league in 2025 (by the aforementioned combination of “good luck”), then suck again in 2026.

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There is a pretty close to zero chance of the Sox gaining 30 to 35 wins next year.

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  On 10/4/2024 at 2:40 PM, Balta1701 said:

They also spent more on free agents than any other team in the American League for this season.

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Yeah, didn't they overpay a couple starters? I'm pretty sure their signing of Seth Lugo was laughed at here. Dude put up a 5.3 WAR season.

And Michael Wacha signed for $16,450,000 which, in the offseason, looked like an overpay for him but he put up a 3.5 WAR year.

Edit: actually, after looking at his career stats, I take back the bolded.

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