southsider2k5 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/orioles-trade-proposal-swaps-jackson-holiday-50-million-outfielder/29705893e00dbd5f01a4ed2b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Yes please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Yeah I wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Robert + Crochet + Benintendi for Holliday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Yeah sure include Crochet in the deal pick up Mayo and Cowser too and everyone's problems are solved on both sides ! Give me a fucking break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yeah sure include Crochet in the deal pick up Mayo and Cowser too and everyone's problems are solved on both sides ! Give me a fucking break. Going to spend months shooting for the moon only to be somewhat disappointed by return. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I think it will be a long while before significant trades. First up is the new manager. Now JR has basically said managers and coaches , except named Tony LaRussa, make no difference. But in his letter, he made it appear this will be a franchise altering hire. I can’t wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I think it will be a long while before significant trades. First up is the new manager. Now JR has basically said managers and coaches , except named Tony LaRussa, make no difference. But in his letter, he made it appear this will be a franchise altering hire. I can’t wait. Like another TLR…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 I’d do the Holliday deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Robert + Crochet + Benintendi for Holliday. My god, this would be an awful trade for the sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 Only in fantasy sports Our reality is a nightmare, Then all it takes is for them to make Boras their agent. Then we kick the can down the road and make Birmingham better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Yeah sure include Crochet in the deal pick up Mayo and Cowser too and everyone's problems are solved on both sides ! Give me a fucking break. Chris Landers is a clown apparently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: My god, this would be an awful trade for the sox It’s really not that bad. Benintendi has negative value due to his contract and performance and Robert has sucked for an entire season and is getting expensive. Crochet is the guy with the real value and do you trust that clown shoes Getz will actually choose the right prospect return? With Holliday, it’s very likely he is going to pan out. I couldn’t say the same for any potential Getz prospect return. Baltimore probably turns the deal down anyways due to it being too much money for them to take on. Edited October 5 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 7 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s really not that bad. Benintendi has negative value due to his contract and performance and Robert has sucked for an entire season and is getting expensive. Crochet is the guy with the real value and do you trust that clown shoes Getz will actually choose the right prospect return? With Holliday, it’s very likely he is going to pan out. I couldn’t say the same for any potential Getz prospect return. Baltimore probably turns the deal down anyways due to it being too much money for them to take on. No, this is an awful deal for the Sox 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: No, this is an awful deal for the Sox Exactly. If Holliday ends up bad or mediocre you end up with nothing. All your hopes are riding on him. Terrible trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 18 minutes ago, almagest said: Exactly. If Holliday ends up bad or mediocre you end up with nothing. All your hopes are riding on him. Terrible trade. Correct and I know he’s young but there’s already a ton of limitations in his game from what I’ve seen. Will he even turn out better than Yoan Moncada? I don’t know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Correct and I know he’s young but there’s already a ton of limitations in his game from what I’ve seen. Will he even turn out better than Yoan Moncada? I don’t know. I’m not sure this works even if he ends up a good player. Trading a top tier pitcher and a guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season and isn’t old for one guy is madness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 16 minutes ago, almagest said: I’m not sure this works even if he ends up a good player. Trading a top tier pitcher and a guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season and isn’t old for one guy is madness. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 Holiday's minor league stats are just the type of player that the White Sox need. 304/443/486, ops. 928. I love his walk total is almost at his strike out level , 201 walks 207 k's. 20 year old , ehh what the heck pull the trigger on this internet fantasy trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 10 hours ago, almagest said: I’m not sure this works even if he ends up a good player. Trading a top tier pitcher and a guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season and isn’t old for one guy is madness. Thats cute language choice on Robert. A “guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season (actually no he hasn't) sounds better than a guy who put up a 0.5 WAR season last year. Crochet im not sure whether the market will be strong, he’s a legit talent but he has health concerns beyond an average pitcher at least for now. Someone might bid heavily for him, if you got the Phillies showing real interest for example we know they can be aggressive. Luis Robert will not bring the return of a 5 WAR player with 3 years of control remaining. If the White Sox have decided to move on from him, it will be at a super large discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Thats cute language choice on Robert. A “guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season (actually no he hasn't) sounds better than a guy who put up a 0.5 WAR season last year. Crochet im not sure whether the market will be strong, he’s a legit talent but he has health concerns beyond an average pitcher at least for now. Someone might bid heavily for him, if you got the Phillies showing real interest for example we know they can be aggressive. Luis Robert will not bring the return of a 5 WAR player with 3 years of control remaining. If the White Sox have decided to move on from him, it will be at a super large discount. He did last this season as a starter which is more than many thought he would do, even though his workload was managed second half he wasn't completely shut down. So I think most teams would take him as a starter but the big issue is how highly do they rate him in terms of what they are willing to give up. Let alone whether we think Getz is capable of getting a decent return judged on his previous deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 The question is are the Sox trading Crochet. If they are, they need at least a number 2 starter back as part of that deal or a Robert deal. There is no way the Sox are trading Robert, Benintendi and Crochet unless the Orioles are including Holliday and a number 2 starter in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 13 minutes ago, SCCWS said: The question is are the Sox trading Crochet. If they are, they need at least a number 2 starter back as part of that deal or a Robert deal. There is no way the Sox are trading Robert, Benintendi and Crochet unless the Orioles are including Holliday and a number 2 starter in return. I think I can confidently say the Orioles will not give up the top prospect in baseball last year and a top flight starting pitcher for Crochet, or even Crochet + Robert. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 13 hours ago, almagest said: I’m not sure this works even if he ends up a good player. Trading a top tier pitcher and a guy who has put up a 5+ WAR season and isn’t old for one guy is madness. Moncada has put up a 5 WAR season. You wouldn’t include him, if you could? 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I think I can confidently say the Orioles will not give up the top prospect in baseball last year and a top flight starting pitcher for Crochet, or even Crochet + Robert. I believe he was saying they needed to get back a starting pitcher from either trade of Robert or Crochet not that they could trade Crochet for Holliday and starting pitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 If I were the O’s, I’d have a hard time giving up on the dream of an infield of Henderson, Westburg and Holliday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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