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11 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

That’s disappointing 

Not really too disappointing when you realize that this will likely just be the bridge manager to when the Sox are able to get back to being a .500 team.  And if they somehow strike gold with a competent manager, they can always try to extend him.

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1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Not really too disappointing when you realize that this will likely just be the bridge manager to when the Sox are able to get back to being a .500 team.  And if they somehow strike gold with a competent manager, they can always try to extend him.

If the Sox are looking for a bridge manager, they went about this the wrong way

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2 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

If the Sox are looking for a bridge manager, they went about this the wrong way

I’m not quite sure what you mean.  None of the rumored remaining candidates are highly lauded managers.  I believe Schumaker is the only one that has been an MLB manager.

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4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I’m not quite sure what you mean.  None of the rumored remaining candidates are highly lauded managers. I believe Schumaker is the only one that has been an MLB manager.

We don’t know who’s going to be any good, no one knows what makes a good manager exactly. And at the same time, highly lauded managers are rarely available, and just because someone hasn’t done it before, doesn’t mean they’re going to be bad at the job.

 

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41 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

We don’t know who’s going to be any good, no one knows what makes a good manager exactly. And at the same time, highly lauded managers are rarely available, and just because someone hasn’t done it before, doesn’t mean they’re going to be bad at the job.

 

While this is true, the white Sox have made a habit of hiring people who haven’t done it before that are bad at the job.  

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50 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

We don’t know who’s going to be any good, no one knows what makes a good manager exactly. And at the same time, highly lauded managers are rarely available, and just because someone hasn’t done it before, doesn’t mean they’re going to be bad at the job.

 

Sure, but these qualities would still describe a “bridge manager” moreso than signing an established manager like AJ Hinch when the Sox have finally built a team that they expect to win.

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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Nerds who win a lot of playoff series.

Absolutely disgusting. I bet they don't even have BASEBALL MEN like master negotiator Chris Getz running their front offices.

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52 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

There could be another name in the mix that hasn't been made public.  

All right everyone, go to your list of ex-Royals, find someone who would seem comically old-school about their baseball opinions. Expect the worst and there's a good chance of accuracy.

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19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

All right everyone, go to your list of ex-Royals, find someone who would seem comically old-school about their baseball opinions. Expect the worst and there's a good chance of accuracy.

Jayson Nix has Sox connections, overlapped in KC with Getz and is currently on the Angels coaching staff.

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43 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

All right everyone, go to your list of ex-Royals, find someone who would seem comically old-school about their baseball opinions. Expect the worst and there's a good chance of accuracy.

I don't know about an old school approach, but Bruce Chen always handed the Sox their own ass.

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17 hours ago, greg775 said:

Didn't the Sox have all complete games in the 2005 World Series?

ALCS is where Neal Cotts was the only guy to throw a BP inning.

How in the world are you forgetting Game 3 going 13 innings? You can't be worshipping Ozzie and forgetting what is possibly the best managed game of his career.

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4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

While this is true, the white Sox have made a habit of hiring people who haven’t done it before that are bad at the job.  

And whether that's because we're hiring those that are bad at their jobs or it's just the institutional stench attached to them, no one has gone on to have a coaching career post-managing the Sox since Jerry Manual in 2003.

2024 - Grifol. Should not have been hired and may never be hired again

2022 - Cairo. Interim to end the year, never coached again

2022 - LaRussa. Should not have been hired and frankly should've stayed retired in the first place; will never manage again

2020 - Renteria. Hired as a bridge guy, never coached again

2016 - Ventura. Had to be persuaded to take it, never coached again

2011 - Don Cooper (only a few games). Never coached again after being fired in 2020

2011 - Guillen. One terrible season in Miami, then never coached again

 

If we're looking at guys that want to start their careers, well, we don't have a great history of anyone even getting employed after we touch them. 

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13 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

And whether that's because we're hiring those that are bad at their jobs or it's just the institutional stench attached to them, no one has gone on to have a coaching career post-managing the Sox since Jerry Manual in 2003.

2024 - Grifol. Should not have been hired and may never be hired again

2022 - Cairo. Interim to end the year, never coached again

2022 - LaRussa. Should not have been hired and frankly should've stayed retired in the first place; will never manage again

2020 - Renteria. Hired as a bridge guy, never coached again

2016 - Ventura. Had to be persuaded to take it, never coached again

2011 - Don Cooper (only a few games). Never coached again after being fired in 2020

2011 - Guillen. One terrible season in Miami, then never coached again

 

If we're looking at guys that want to start their careers, well, we don't have a great history of anyone even getting employed after we touch them. 

There is some truth in here, but I think it’s exaggerated. Cairo is currently coaching with the Nats. Larussa won’t manage again bc he can’t. Ventura has no interest, and I suspect Coop doesn’t either. I also think Renteria could work again if he chose to. 

the only real, obvious guys that wanted to manage again and likely never will are Guillen and Grifol.

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26 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

And whether that's because we're hiring those that are bad at their jobs or it's just the institutional stench attached to them, no one has gone on to have a coaching career post-managing the Sox since Jerry Manual in 2003.

2024 - Grifol. Should not have been hired and may never be hired again

2022 - Cairo. Interim to end the year, never coached again

2022 - LaRussa. Should not have been hired and frankly should've stayed retired in the first place; will never manage again

2020 - Renteria. Hired as a bridge guy, never coached again

2016 - Ventura. Had to be persuaded to take it, never coached again

2011 - Don Cooper (only a few games). Never coached again after being fired in 2020

2011 - Guillen. One terrible season in Miami, then never coached again

 

If we're looking at guys that want to start their careers, well, we don't have a great history of anyone even getting employed after we touch them. 

Guillen managed in Miami after the Sox. His mouth got him fired, and probably ended his managerial career. 

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1 hour ago, Quin said:

ALCS is where Neal Cotts was the only guy to throw a BP inning.

How in the world are you forgetting Game 3 going 13 innings? You can't be worshipping Ozzie and forgetting what is possibly the best managed game of his career.

In fact, wasn't Ozzie's call to the bullpen for the "wide and tall guy" in game 1?

 

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