Balta1701 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 51 minutes ago, Falstaff said: What is the opinion of Phil Nevin getting the job? I remember him as a ballplayer, he had a decent career. Is Getz regulated to the Dollar Store for his hire? Phil Nevin is exactly who I expect them to hire based on my stereotype of them. They came in last year thinking they would prove the nerds wrong about baseball, that baseball wasn’t built by stats or anything like that, it was built by important men with TWTW. They were going to bring in leaders, white guys who knew how the game was played like Eckstein. “The baseball people are back in charge” was one of their slogans. They overpaid leaders like DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Clevinger. They were going to play “fast.” This setup lost them 121 games. Phil Nevin is most famous in managing for saying after a game he was going to throw at another team then sending in an opener to do that the next day. His teams emphasize bunting, being aggressive, playing fast. He is my joking stereotype for what I think they’re looking for, a guy who can prove that baseball was played correctly in 1978. Nevin is them saying their format is right and they just need more TWTW. Im sure they could find other guys like him, but we already know that’s who he is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 9 hours ago, Fielder Jones said: Heyman is a known tool used by the agents. Have to look at these tweets of his in that lens Albernaz could be close to finalizing with the Marlins and Heyman is putting it out there that the Sox are interested so as to bring up his contract number with Miami I’m not saying you aren’t correct but imagine trying to get the cheap Marlins to up their offer for a no name managerial candidate by using the also cheap Sox to up the ante? It’s pretty sad and hilarious to think about. Edited October 28 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Phil Nevin is exactly who I expect them to hire based on my stereotype of them. They came in last year thinking they would prove the nerds wrong about baseball, that baseball wasn’t built by stats or anything like that, it was built by important men with TWTW. They were going to bring in leaders, white guys who knew how the game was played like Eckstein. “The baseball people are back in charge” was one of their slogans. They overpaid leaders like DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Clevinger. They were going to play “fast.” This setup lost them 121 games. Phil Nevin is most famous in managing for saying after a game he was going to throw at another team then sending in an opener to do that the next day. His teams emphasize bunting, being aggressive, playing fast. He is my joking stereotype for what I think they’re looking for, a guy who can prove that baseball was played correctly in 1978. Nevin is them saying their format is right and they just need more TWTW. Im sure they could find other guys like him, but we already know that’s who he is. Phil Nevin is late 90s early 2000s old school. Up until he was 28 years old, never hit 10 homers in a season. Then hit 24, then 31, then 41. Hmmm, what was going on around that time? The other thing is, he would obviously be a LaRussa hire as Getz said the hire would have been in uniform during the 24 season. Unless he had a job at Burger King, that wouldn’t be Nevin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not saying you aren’t correct but imagine trying to get the cheap Marlins to up their offer for a no name managerial candidate by using the also cheap Sox to up the ante? It’s pretty sad and hilarious to think about. I think even the Marlins would laugh. It has to be an agents worst nightmare….having to use the White Sox to try to up the ante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 12 minutes ago, bmags said: I hate that its coming from Heyman. That is also true. Agents basically have free access to his Twitter account, so all should be skeptical this happens until it finally does. But would be much more exciting than a Nevin hire on paper at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 22 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Phil Nevin is exactly who I expect them to hire based on my stereotype of them. They came in last year thinking they would prove the nerds wrong about baseball, that baseball wasn’t built by stats or anything like that, it was built by important men with TWTW. They were going to bring in leaders, white guys who knew how the game was played like Eckstein. “The baseball people are back in charge” was one of their slogans. They overpaid leaders like DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Clevinger. They were going to play “fast.” This setup lost them 121 games. Phil Nevin is most famous in managing for saying after a game he was going to throw at another team then sending in an opener to do that the next day. His teams emphasize bunting, being aggressive, playing fast. He is my joking stereotype for what I think they’re looking for, a guy who can prove that baseball was played correctly in 1978. Nevin is them saying their format is right and they just need more TWTW. Im sure they could find other guys like him, but we already know that’s who he is. I don’t believe Getz to be anti-analytics. He’s clearly trying to execute change in that department to a level that hasn’t been tried before. The bigger concern is does he know what success looks like and will he be capable of replicating it. And that’s why an outside hire would have made much more sense for us. The racial stuff is just silly. Last I checked Maldonado wasn’t white and he was the single biggest leader they brought it. And at the trade deadline, five of the six players acquired were of Hispanic descent. Obviously Jerry is an old school baseball guy, but the Sox have historically been a power oriented club since the mid 90’s and even this recent core was mostly built around power. A bunch of dumpster dives in a lost season doesn’t change that fact. And to be clear, I’m not suggesting Getz appropriately values power (the Fletcher trade still has me concerned in that regard), but I don’t think his goal is to build Jerry’s dream of a bunch of fundamentally sound slap hitters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 If I was Venable, I would definitely listen, and then wait for an offer, but the offer would have to be pretty, pretty, pretty good to accept. Market rate or average, why would you come to this mess? You will have other opportunities down the line. OTOH, if you go 58-104 you are a hero. But that’s no fun. Cutting payroll, little chance for the offense to be much better. Most likely trading away your best pitcher….if I’m him I’d wait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Yes, Getz is very much equal opportunity with terrible players of any ethnicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 48 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If I was Venable, I would definitely listen, and then wait for an offer, but the offer would have to be pretty, pretty, pretty good to accept. Market rate or average, why would you come to this mess? You will have other opportunities down the line. OTOH, if you go 58-104 you are a hero. But that’s no fun. Cutting payroll, little chance for the offense to be much better. Most likely trading away your best pitcher….if I’m him I’d wait. Kind of a risk on its own, though. You just never know. People said that about Sandy Alomar Jr and he is still a first base coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Wouldn't Venable hit the definition of "passed over" by his own team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dick Allen Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Kind of a risk on its own, though. You just never know. People said that about Sandy Alomar Jr and he is still a first base coach. Of course, but you look at the White Sox and say when can they be good? If most goes right, it will be a while. At some point, the manager gets fired, and not many guys with only a history of 100 loss seasons get another chance. I would say if he stays where he’s at, he’s probably to odds on favorite when Bochy retires again. And he will get other interviews. There was a while Sandy wasn’t interested. Maybe he had kids in school or something similar and didn’t want to mess with it. You take over a team that might be a year or two away from a really nice run, you punch your ticket. LaRussa got the A’s job at a perfect time. Pedro might have won a WS with that roster. But it got Tony credibility, and when the A’s went bad, Tony got the Cardinals. If Tony got another team after the Sox fired him, if they weren’t stacked, he would never have the rep he has now. Since he left the Cardinals, he’s been around a ton of losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 Margalus has learned Schumaker is out Sox Machine has learned that Skip Schumaker, the former Marlins manager who was considered one of the market’s hottest managerial commodities, is no longer in the running for the White Sox’s vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 36 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said: Margalus has learned Schumaker is out Sox Machine has learned that Skip Schumaker, the former Marlins manager who was considered one of the market’s hottest managerial commodities, is no longer in the running for the White Sox’s vacancy. Feels like we are about to get a few of these notifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 45 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said: Margalus has learned Schumaker is out Sox Machine has learned that Skip Schumaker, the former Marlins manager who was considered one of the market’s hottest managerial commodities, is no longer in the running for the White Sox’s vacancy. With the pay story, this makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t believe Getz to be anti-analytics. He’s clearly trying to execute change in that department to a level that hasn’t been tried before. The bigger concern is does he know what success looks like and will he be capable of replicating it. And that’s why an outside hire would have made much more sense for us. Let's see what he does with this, because the 2024 White Sox were very, very anti-analytics. Phil Nevin would be an "analytics guys will be locked in the corner over there and we won't talk to them because they don't like bunting" kind of hire. Pedro was very anti-analytics, despite what he said in his initial press conference, LaRussa is anti-analytics, Reinsdorf sure seems to be. It is 100% possible to "Execute change in that department" by making it smaller and less relevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Wouldn't Venable hit the definition of "passed over" by his own team? When did this occur? Didn't he come with Bochy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 (edited) 17 minutes ago, bmags said: When did this occur? Didn't he come with Bochy? Yes, he did. Venable is the Rangers “associate manager”. He’s probably just waiting for Bochy to retire so he can get the full manager gig with them. He turned down interviewing for the Mets’ manager job last year. Edited October 28 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, he did. Venable is the Rangers “associate manager”. He’s probably just waiting for Bochy to retire so he can get the full manager gig with them. He turned down interviewing for the Mets’ manager job last year. The issue is that these old guys never want to leave. He could be there waiting forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Milkman delivers Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Phil Nevin is exactly who I expect them to hire based on my stereotype of them. They came in last year thinking they would prove the nerds wrong about baseball, that baseball wasn’t built by stats or anything like that, it was built by important men with TWTW. They were going to bring in leaders, white guys who knew how the game was played like Eckstein. “The baseball people are back in charge” was one of their slogans. They overpaid leaders like DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Clevinger. They were going to play “fast.” This setup lost them 121 games. Phil Nevin is most famous in managing for saying after a game he was going to throw at another team then sending in an opener to do that the next day. His teams emphasize bunting, being aggressive, playing fast. He is my joking stereotype for what I think they’re looking for, a guy who can prove that baseball was played correctly in 1978. Nevin is them saying their format is right and they just need more TWTW. Im sure they could find other guys like him, but we already know that’s who he is. What is with this? You talk about bringing in white guys in a way that’s obviously supposed to be derogatory, then mention guys named Lopez and Maldonado. Why even bring race into it? I mean, 5 members of the opening day starting lineup were minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WhiteSox2023 Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The issue is that these old guys never want to leave. He could be there waiting forever. This is true, but the Sox are a career ender for managers. Especially in their current state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: Feels like we are about to get a few of these notifications 59 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Let's see what he does with this, because the 2024 White Sox were very, very anti-analytics. Phil Nevin would be an "analytics guys will be locked in the corner over there and we won't talk to them because they don't like bunting" kind of hire. Pedro was very anti-analytics, despite what he said in his initial press conference, LaRussa is anti-analytics, Reinsdorf sure seems to be. It is 100% possible to "Execute change in that department" by making it smaller and less relevant. I think we all know, on some level, that it’s gonna be Nevin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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