Dick Allen Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 26 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I was reacting to your opinion of "why would anyone pay attention to guys who were historically bad?". No, the players are not picking the manager, regardless of whether they played well or not. I could see Getz caring how Sizemore's perceived by the players, as any GM would. I'm not sure why you'd think it so ludicrous that a GM would get a player's perspective on the manager. Yes, I agree with you that if you discount all the games that the Sox won under Sizemore, his record looks worse than Grifol's. I don’t think the Sox have the right mix of players to be involved choosing a manager. I do think the team needs to be somewhat successful, and have several players who have been around winning enough to know the difference. Benintendi, may have some insight, but the others ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I don’t think the Sox have the right mix of players to be involved choosing a manager. I do think the team needs to be somewhat successful, and have several players who have been around winning enough to know the difference. Benintendi, may have some insight, but the others ? Getz probably isn't in the clubhouse. Why wouldn't he pick the brains of a couple vets to get a feel for whether Sizemore is giving clear instruction and feedback to players? I would assume that a GM knows what qualities he wants in a manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 21 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: You don’t think it is ludicrous that a GM would get the perspective of players would played on the worst team in the history of baseball? That speaks volumes. You continue to make it obvious how obtuse (intentionally or not) you are. Nobody discounted all the games the Sox won under Sizemore. The only games being discounted are those in the last week. I’m done. You sought me out, not vice versa. Welcome to my blocked list. No I don't. The players are human beings and can understand getting clear instruction, or being used in a defined role, regardless of whether their team has won enough baseball games, or not. A player can point out that rookies are sleeping out in the bullpen, or guys are just playing for their stat lines. But hey, I started out salty yesterday, well into a 2nd bottle of wine. You do what you feel you must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Getz probably isn't in the clubhouse. Why wouldn't he pick the brains of a couple vets to get a feel for whether Sizemore is giving clear instruction and feedback to players? I would assume that a GM knows what qualities he wants in a manager. If Getz isn't getting into the clubhouse of a 121 loss team before, during, and after firing people he is an even bigger idiot than his early trade returns indicate he is. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If Getz isn't getting into the clubhouse of a 121 loss team before, during, and after firing people he is an even bigger idiot than his early trade returns indicate he is. This was one of the numerous issues with Hahn... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: This was one of the numerous issues with Hahn... Wasn't that an issue for Chris Sale? FO types coming into the clubhouse where they didn't belong? KW even had spies telling him how things were going in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 37 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Getz probably isn't in the clubhouse. Why wouldn't he pick the brains of a couple vets to get a feel for whether Sizemore is giving clear instruction and feedback to players? I would assume that a GM knows what qualities he wants in a manager. If he needs players help evaluating his own manager, God help us all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If he needs players help evaluating his own manager, God help us all. This entire conversation arc has gone from "players like playing for him" to Miguel Vargus and Nicky Lopez are conducting the interviews, basically. If someone would note that Chris Getz survives by breathing oxygen, a good dozen people would jump in and pretend that is a sign of a horrible GM. Breathing oxygen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 Getz is going to name himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: This entire conversation arc has gone from "players like playing for him" to Miguel Vargus and Nicky Lopez are conducting the interviews, basically. If someone would note that Chris Getz survives by breathing oxygen, a good dozen people would jump in and pretend that is a sign of a horrible GM. Breathing oxygen. 41-121 is a tell tale sign the GM is bad. 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: This entire conversation arc has gone from "players like playing for him" to Miguel Vargus and Nicky Lopez are conducting the interviews, basically. If someone would note that Chris Getz survives by breathing oxygen, a good dozen people would jump in and pretend that is a sign of a horrible GM. Breathing oxygen. This was the worst season in the history of baseball in terms of losses. I would call that a pretty clear sign of the quality of the GM, manager, or anyone else connected to this organization. Your hyperventilating over people not being positive after a 121 loss season continues to be almost fake in it's persistence plus indignation. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 12 Share Posted October 12 (edited) 15 hours ago, WestEddy said: Wasn't that an issue for Chris Sale? FO types coming into the clubhouse where they didn't belong? KW even had spies telling him how things were going in the clubhouse. Hahn was just never comfortable in that environment...like he knew he didn't belong as a non athlete. Edited October 13 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 32 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hahn was just never comfortable ingat environment...like he knew he didn't belong as a non athlete. Chris Sale once threw a tantrum and screamed in KW's face to get out. No, Hahn never seemed to be comfortable there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: 41-121 is a tell tale sign the GM is bad. Some people just continue to make excuses and ignoring bad is bad, Getz is the Grifol of GMs. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: I don’t think the Sox have the right mix of players to be involved choosing a manager. I do think the team needs to be somewhat successful, and have several players who have been around winning enough to know the difference. Benintendi, may have some insight, but the others ? When Michael Jordan had input on coaches that was a player whose opinion mattered. When anyone on a team with the most losses in history has an opinion on a coach they can be DFA’d if they don’t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 43 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said: When Michael Jordan had input on coaches that was a player whose opinion mattered. When anyone on a team with the most losses in history has an opinion on a coach they can be DFA’d if they don’t like it. Benintendi would love that...freedom and one large JR check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 12 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said: When Michael Jordan had input on coaches that was a player whose opinion mattered. When anyone on a team with the most losses in history has an opinion on a coach they can be DFA’d if they don’t like it. Eh I think it’s fine to hear the thoughts of anyone on the major league roster who’s solidly in the team’s future plans, regardless of the team’s W-L record. The obvious problem, of course, being who the hell are those players for the Sox? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 13 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: This was the worst season in the history of baseball in terms of losses. I would call that a pretty clear sign of the quality of the GM, manager, or anyone else connected to this organization. Your hyperventilating over people not being positive after a 121 loss season continues to be almost fake in its persistence plus indignation. Cue the gif… It’s not Getz’s fault! Leave Getz alone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dick Allen said: 41-121 is a tell tale sign the GM is bad. I’m of the opinion that records don’t matter for rebuilding teams. And this was a team that was always going to be worse than 2023’s. I think too many people are caught up on something that ultimately doesn’t matter. Edited October 13 by Boopa1219 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Cue the gif… It’s not Getz’s fault! Leave Getz alone! What are you even talking about? Do you even read what you're commenting on? Nobody is saying to leave Getz alone. A comment that players liked playing for Sizemore better than Grifol has ballooned into a freakout about players picking their next manager. Then here comes you, hammering your agenda. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 I think the “silence” surrounding the Sox is a good thing. Shows that they’re actually undergoing a process for this hire. I imagine we’ll hear more news after the LCS’s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boopa1219 said: I’m of the opinion that records don’t matter for rebuilding teams. And this was a team that was always going to be worse than 2023’s. I think too many people are caught up on something that ultimately doesn’t matter. Couldn’t disagree more. To me, there’s a huge difference between simply being a bad, rebuilding team and being the worst team of all time with a horrendous use of your best trade chips. Edited October 13 by fathom 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: What are you even talking about? Do you even read what you're commenting on? Nobody is saying to leave Getz alone. A comment that players liked playing for Sizemore better than Grifol has ballooned into a freakout about players picking their next manager. Then here comes you, hammering your agenda. LOL. I responded to a post that mentioned the GM. What is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Couldn’t disagree more. To me, there’s a huge difference between simply being a bad, rebuilding team and being the worst team of all time with a horrendous use of your best trade chips. They couldn’t turn one asset into an average starting position player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 4 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: I’m of the opinion that records don’t matter for rebuilding teams. And this was a team that was always going to be worse than 2023’s. I think too many people are caught up on something that ultimately doesn’t matter. Making a mockery of the sport and destroying your brand, possibly permanently, in a year you can’t pick higher than 10 doesn’t matter? That’s a weird take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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