How in the world has GRF cost the state $200 million over the last 14 years? It didn't even cost that much to build in the first place.
The White Sox don’t pay for upkeep and improvements, and when the ISFA took on the Bears Reno, they had to mess around with their bonds. This will be the same problem only 5 to tenfold if the state caves and builds both new stadiums.
In case anyone has missed my post about my Sell the Team, Jerry! book on Amazon, I encourage you to check it out.
It is a thorough history of the 44 years of Sox mismanagement by JR.
It does have one bright spot. My 36 page recap of the magical 2005 World Series season.
1) Somewhat interesting book. I read it in 2 nights. Your comments on the White Flag trade were somewhat inaccurate. The White flag trade was wrong and definitely a PR disaster but you claimed the White Sox received handful of prospects none of whom panned out. They received Foulke and Howry in that trade who helped the team for a few years. 2) You pointed out some of the mistakes of JRs ownership. I think you missed pointing out i think JRs biggest mistake. I've always thought his biggest mistake was the present stadium. When the team was looking for a new stadium the 1980s the City of Chicago wanted to build a stadium in the South Loop. (now known as Block 78) JR wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to build the stadium in Addison Illinois on land that he owned. I have no doubt in my mind that the main reason he wanted to go to Addison is because he owned the land. Just like when he moved the White Sox spring training from Florida to Tucson Arizona. He owned the land where the stadium was built in Arizona. They have since move to Glendale. I don't know if he owns the land there but he did in Tucson. When the Addison stadium deal didn't work out the South Loop stadium was off the table and the only place left was across the street from the old Comiskey Park. The week before the final vote in the Illinois legislature former Chicago writer Jerome Holtzman wrote that JR took a vote with t he investors and half of them wanted to move to Florida. They weren't happy about building a new stadium at 35th and Shields. They knew the location was not popular and would play second fiddle to the Cubs at that location. They also bought into Eddie Einhorns BS that Florida was the greatest opportunity for MLB since the Dodgers moved west. After the stadium bill was passed JR stupidly changed the original design of the stadium. He wanted another level of suites which made the upper deck miserable. The upper deck has ruined the stadium and it was JRs doing. 3) I find it ironic that JR wants to have a new stadium built in block 78 in an area that he declined years ago. If he would have agreed to the South Loop stadium years ago the the ugly scenario of them moving to Florida would have never happened. This could really end badly. The present stadium lease expires in 5 years. If the White Sox don't get their new stadium in the South Loop I wouldn't be surprised if they move out of state. I don't think any new owner would stay at the present location. I also don't think JR will come up with alot of money going towards a new South Loop stadium. He will have the next owner deal with the situation.
1) Somewhat interesting book. I read it in 2 nights. Your comments on the White Flag trade were somewhat inaccurate. The White flag trade was wrong and definitely a PR disaster but you claimed the White Sox received handful of prospects none of whom panned out. They received Foulke and Howry in that trade who helped the team for a few years. 2) You pointed out some of the mistakes of JRs ownership. I think you missed pointing out i think JRs biggest mistake. I've always thought his biggest mistake was the present stadium. When the team was looking for a new stadium the 1980s the City of Chicago wanted to build a stadium in the South Loop. (now known as Block 78) JR wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to build the stadium in Addison Illinois on land that he owned. I have no doubt in my mind that the main reason he wanted to go to Addison is because he owned the land. Just like when he moved the White Sox spring training from Florida to Tucson Arizona. He owned the land where the stadium was built in Arizona. They have since move to Glendale. I don't know if he owns the land there but he did in Tucson. When the Addison stadium deal didn't work out the South Loop stadium was off the table and the only place left was across the street from the old Comiskey Park. The week before the final vote in the Illinois legislature former Chicago writer Jerome Holtzman wrote that JR took a vote with t he investors and half of them wanted to move to Florida. They weren't happy about building a new stadium at 35th and Shields. They knew the location was not popular and would play second fiddle to the Cubs at that location. They also bought into Eddie Einhorns BS that Florida was the greatest opportunity for MLB since the Dodgers moved west. After the stadium bill was passed JR stupidly changed the original design of the stadium. He wanted another level of suites which made the upper deck miserable. The upper deck has ruined the stadium and it was JRs doing. 3) I find it ironic that JR wants to have a new stadium built in block 78 in an area that he declined years ago. If he would have agreed to the South Loop stadium years ago the the ugly scenario of them moving to Florida would have never happened. This could really end badly. The present stadium lease expires in 5 years. If the White Sox don't get their new stadium in the South Loop I wouldn't be surprised if they move out of state. I don't think any new owner would stay at the present location. I also don't think JR will come up with alot of money going towards a new South Loop stadium. He will have the next owner deal with the situation.
This was a difficult read because of the lack of spacing but most of your points are valid but keep in mind Mayor Harold Washington said the ONLY way he and his members of the stadium authority would allow money to go to the White Sox were if the stadium was built opposite of where Comiskey Park stood.
When Addision voted "no" literally by a single vote, JR was stuck with his thumb up his rear end.
The next owner will deal with the Sox situation but I continue to feel they aren't going anywhere. New ownership won't have poisoned the political and fan base wells and again MLB can get far more money for an expansion team then by moving an existing one.
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How in the world has GRF cost the state $200 million over the last 14 years? It didn't even cost that much to build in the first place.
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Sorry. I didn’t in intend to include the political ad at the top of the Austin News piece.
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Everything in politics costs a lot of money. Most of them eat $14 muffins.
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I’ll provide my contribution to this thread, finally…
“Jerry is open to selling…”
Yea, my ass he is.
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The White Sox don’t pay for upkeep and improvements, and when the ISFA took on the Bears Reno, they had to mess around with their bonds. This will be the same problem only 5 to tenfold if the state caves and builds both new stadiums.
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"...out his fanbase to get what he wants"
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In case anyone has missed my post about my Sell the Team, Jerry! book on Amazon, I encourage you to check it out.
It is a thorough history of the 44 years of Sox mismanagement by JR.
It does have one bright spot. My 36 page recap of the magical 2005 World Series season.
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1) Somewhat interesting book. I read it in 2 nights. Your comments on the White Flag trade were somewhat inaccurate. The White flag trade was wrong and definitely a PR disaster but you claimed the White Sox received handful of prospects none of whom panned out. They received Foulke and Howry in that trade who helped the team for a few years. 2) You pointed out some of the mistakes of JRs ownership. I think you missed pointing out i think JRs biggest mistake. I've always thought his biggest mistake was the present stadium. When the team was looking for a new stadium the 1980s the City of Chicago wanted to build a stadium in the South Loop. (now known as Block 78) JR wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to build the stadium in Addison Illinois on land that he owned. I have no doubt in my mind that the main reason he wanted to go to Addison is because he owned the land. Just like when he moved the White Sox spring training from Florida to Tucson Arizona. He owned the land where the stadium was built in Arizona. They have since move to Glendale. I don't know if he owns the land there but he did in Tucson. When the Addison stadium deal didn't work out the South Loop stadium was off the table and the only place left was across the street from the old Comiskey Park. The week before the final vote in the Illinois legislature former Chicago writer Jerome Holtzman wrote that JR took a vote with t he investors and half of them wanted to move to Florida. They weren't happy about building a new stadium at 35th and Shields. They knew the location was not popular and would play second fiddle to the Cubs at that location. They also bought into Eddie Einhorns BS that Florida was the greatest opportunity for MLB since the Dodgers moved west. After the stadium bill was passed JR stupidly changed the original design of the stadium. He wanted another level of suites which made the upper deck miserable. The upper deck has ruined the stadium and it was JRs doing. 3) I find it ironic that JR wants to have a new stadium built in block 78 in an area that he declined years ago. If he would have agreed to the South Loop stadium years ago the the ugly scenario of them moving to Florida would have never happened. This could really end badly. The present stadium lease expires in 5 years. If the White Sox don't get their new stadium in the South Loop I wouldn't be surprised if they move out of state. I don't think any new owner would stay at the present location. I also don't think JR will come up with alot of money going towards a new South Loop stadium. He will have the next owner deal with the situation.
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This was a difficult read because of the lack of spacing but most of your points are valid but keep in mind Mayor Harold Washington said the ONLY way he and his members of the stadium authority would allow money to go to the White Sox were if the stadium was built opposite of where Comiskey Park stood.
When Addision voted "no" literally by a single vote, JR was stuck with his thumb up his rear end.
The next owner will deal with the Sox situation but I continue to feel they aren't going anywhere. New ownership won't have poisoned the political and fan base wells and again MLB can get far more money for an expansion team then by moving an existing one.
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