Venable named new Sox Manager-per Merkin

[Dick Allen]

3 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:

This team already went through a tank job in the not too distant past. It didn't work and lead down a path where the team is in absolute shambles. A full blown tear down will never work as long as JR is the owner. They need to start signing some veteran free agents and try the lighting in a bottle approach again.  

Especially with the anti-tank rules now enforced. 10th pick instead of 1st is a huge hit.

[bighurt574]

Glad to see they did a legit search and hired outside the org but the manager isn’t really going to matter unless they can get him a competitive roster. 

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, bighurt574 said:

Glad to see they did a legit search and hired outside the org but the manager isn’t really going to matter unless they can get him a competitive roster. 

Well, Venable is a legit guy, and probably wouldn't have chosen the Sox over the Marlins without some semblance of a plan to get competitive in the near future. 

[FloydBannister1983]

Is it too early to start a "Fire Will Venable" thread?

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

yay

[FloydBannister1983]

4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Hire is meaningless?  Every single move matters at this point if we ever hope to get back to even mediocrity.  This is a very nice move on paper and Sox fans should be excited accordingly.

"Excited" is a bit of a stretch.  The guy who said "puts pitchfork and torches back in the closet" was more like it.

[Balta1701]

46 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

Bannister and Katz are in no danger of losing their jobs. Pitching is the one thing that worked last season and both seem pretty highly regarded. Again, most GMs lead the hiring of the hitting and pitching coaches. 

Just to stress, the White Sox were 26th in fWAR from their pitching staff and 24th in fWAR from their starters last year. Their bullpen was historically bad even though people said "I think the bullpen might be ok" coming into the season. Multiple guys were dumped and got better when they went elsewhere. Pitching "Wasn't as bad as hitting" but no, it didn't "work". These guys shouldn't be graded on a curve.

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Is it too early to start a "Fire Will Venable" thread?

Honestly, yes. 

[FloydBannister1983]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Chuck Tanner is the best manager the Sox have had since I started following the team as a kid in 67.  But he was aided immensely by Hemond’s work in the 70 and 71 offseasons.  We need some of that out of Getz.  He’s got to make some trades, but he just can’t let the other GMs lead him around by the nose like the Dodgers and Cardinals GMs did.  

Pre-drunken senile LaRussa was one of the best managers.

[hi8is]

44 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Hey Ray Ray go f*** yourself. You’ll have take your head out of your own ass first though

Welcome to the Hall of Fame List! 👌🏻

[kitekrazy]

11 hours ago, Fielder Jones said:

Look no further than Mark Kotsay though. If you enter a situation that is low spending and known to be bad, you can grow with them and stay for awhile if you are incident free. Pedro was hired in a win-now moment.

Also look at Eberflus. You can make a lot of mistakes and have job security if you are lined up with the beginning of a GMs tenure..where the GM isnt working scared at all. And that doubly is Getz's situation rn, he's running this thing for a long time

Why do we like to use other habitual losing teams as an example.

None can overcome cheapass ownership.

[FloydBannister1983]

1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said:

Who is in here saying they trust all of this? People want to be cautiously optimistic. That's it. They HOPE it's a step in the right direction. What do you want people to be doing about this? Be mad? 

"Cautiously optimistic" yes.  There's been half a dozen be "excited" posts.  That's a giant leap.

[hogan873]

Maybe a manager doesn't gain wins necessarily, but a good manager can prevent stupid losses.  How many times did Grifol make a dumbass decision with a pitcher or the lineup that aided in a loss?  We could go back and scrub the game threads and see how many times we types something about Grifol doing something stupid.  Spoiler alert - many times, including those in here saying the manager doesn't matter.

[hi8is]

30 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

10th pick instead of 1st is a huge hit.

It is crushing.

[FloydBannister1983]

20 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Honestly, yes. 

Cough, sarcasm, cough

[Melton1972]

26 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Is it too early to start a "Fire Will Venable" thread?

In all fairness, you have to wait until the end of the first game.

[Tony]

46 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You could do this without regularly chastising me for my writing style, and the name-calling. 

We're in a rebuild. Houston and Baltimore endured multiple 100-loss seasons before their current competitive windows. A bunch of glum dudes softened up this selection for over a week by labeling everybody as a TLR hire, a JR hire, or God-forbid, somebody who ever wore a Royal uniform. The very people now shaking their heads at the low expectations LOWERED THOSE EXPECTATIONS THEMSELVES!!!

I could, you're right. I choose not to. 

I terms of your second paragraph, I really don't think any fans lowered expectations themselves. The Sox have done more than enough to lower expectations to a point where it literally can't get any lower. THEY are responsible for the low expectations, not the fan base. 

[Tnetennba]

1 hour ago, 46DidIt said:

What’s this ‘we’? I was responding to Ray Ray’s comment

The sentence of his you quoted is valid though. But your response, if taken at face value, would actually contribute to continued losing. Venable may not move the needle immediately, or at all, but it isn't keeping the incompetent boop in the dugout actively losing games.

Edited yesterday at 04:34 PM by Tnetennba

[Tnetennba]

31 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Is it too early to start a "Fire Will Venable" thread?

IDK, maybe wait until the official announcement. Don't wanna be premature after all. 

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, Tony said:

I could, you're right. I choose not to. 

I terms of your second paragraph, I really don't think any fans lowered expectations themselves. The Sox have done more than enough to lower expectations to a point where it literally can't get any lower. THEY are responsible for the low expectations, not the fan base. 

Ho hum. It's a good hire. My expectations aren't lowered. I expect Getz to rebuild the organization and to eventually win. 

I did kind of dread a Phil Nevin hire, as the screaming would have been.....clownish?

[FloydBannister1983]

3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

IDK, maybe wait until the official announcement. Don't wanna be premature after all. 

Fair.  I have had to delete “Fire Dave McGuinness” and “Fire AJ Hinch” threads in the past.

[kitekrazy]

27 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Especially with the anti-tank rules now enforced. 10th pick instead of 1st is a huge hit.

With the Sox it never mattered when they drafted. 

I'm no longer wowed with pitching prospects.  Other bad teams have them.

This organization is beyond terrible with position players. A stud pitcher is only good for 5 days.

Sure you can crank out more Crochets and trade them.  The latest example at the trade deadline is frightening. It's not even funny bad.  

There's debate of Montgomery being a bust.  The current GM I doubt ever bothered to check if the farm system is all on the same page.  The only constant is players being baseball stupid.  Sure you trade for these perceived top prospects but now they are under the development of an inferior farm system.  Trading today for tomorrow is often a myth because of poor development and scouting. We've seen enough that making the wrong picks are mistakes have longer consequences.

Sure we can be giddy Getz is bringing the Sox out of the stone age but even bad teams try to copy what the good teams do but those good teams seem to have talented people and accountability.  Sox will be stuck on loyalty and nepotism until JR is gone. Getz is another example.  He shoulda been an acting GM instead of hired.  He wouldn't not have been employed in most organizations as farm director.  

[brijames1957]

On paper this seems like a good hire. But as we all know everything comes down to how much power in decision making JR is going to give him. At the very least he should know what a winning team and organization is supposed to look like. Also he is under 70 yrs old so that's a plus as well.

[brijames1957]

Maybe he took the job knowing that JR is planning on selling the team to a billionaire media mogul who will outspend every current owner to build a winning team.

[Quin]

I love that even this hire is creating division.

Again, it Venable looks like a good hire. So did Katz. And Barfield. Before the peacocking can begin, we'll need to see if the Sox provide him with the right personnel and tools to win.

Even if he's a future Manager of the Year, he's a (admittedly large) band-aid on a gaping wound. Getz supposedly got "maximum value" for Cease and a year later that doesn't look great (depending on your opinion of Thorpe's ability to bounce back) and we've litigated Miguel Vargas as a cornerstone return to death.

One good hire doesn't make or break narratives. It's one possible step forward after a dozen steps back. Getz claimed he'd build a good defensive team and it was the worst in baseball. He said the pitching wouldn't be repugnant and it was a rotating door of launching pads.

So, honestly, I do want to know how the f*** he sold this job to Venable after telling Sox fans "I lied to you about 2024, buckle up buckaroos, we're gonna be bad in 2025."