Venable named new Sox Manager-per Merkin

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

46 shaking in his boots. Guy apologizing the Kyle faster than he defends a Chris Getz move!!!!

[A-Train to 35th]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

You could do this without regularly chastising me for my writing style, and the name-calling. 

We're in a rebuild. Houston and Baltimore endured multiple 100-loss seasons before their current competitive windows. A bunch of glum dudes softened up this selection for over a week by labeling everybody as a TLR hire, a JR hire, or God-forbid, somebody who ever wore a Royal uniform. The very people now shaking their heads at the low expectations LOWERED THOSE EXPECTATIONS THEMSELVES!!!

One difference, Houston and Baltimore were rewarded with high draft choices and multiple #1 picks, we set the all time MLB record for futility and are rewarded with the #10 pick under the new rules.  BIG difference.  Can nothing go right for this organization?

[hi8is]

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[WestEddy]

47 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A rebuild?

Are you brain dead? You know for the first 25ish years of my memorable life the Sox never went into a season trying to not win. 

I complained occasionally about September collapses, the twins owning us, the Indians crushing our hopes late in the year, but i was always engaged. 

An 82 win team is a thousand times more enjoyable than any rebuilding season. The fact that you think rebuilding again is OK is hilarious. Defending the White Sox spending at the bottom of the league for like 6 of the past 10 years... 

The best part. You're so delusional that you compare the Sox "rebuild" to Houston. The White Sox aren't rebuilding. Calling this a rebuild is hilarious. 

Trading any talent you do have continually for younger talent that's uncertain doesn't guarantee anything but a low payroll.

No, I'm quite sentient. It is a rebuild. I'm not defending their spending ways. Yes, Houston did rebuild. Those 100+ loss teams were horrible. They were an actual internet meme. 

This is a rebuild. I'm sorry you don't agree. 

[A-Train to 35th]

3 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Pre-drunken senile LaRussa was one of the best managers.

He had to be senile if he didn't realize Mark McGuire was cheating the game he professes to respect. He turned a blind eye on the steroid era and his player because he was all about winning instead of respecting the game. Tony two-face should have been a politician.

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:

One difference, Houston and Baltimore were rewarded with high draft choices and multiple #1 picks, we set the all time MLB record for futility and are rewarded with the #10 pick under the new rules.  BIG difference.  Can nothing go right for this organization?

They did change the rules, but that doesn't change where the Sox are. Even picking 10th every other year, and not being guaranteed the top draft pick, I have faith in Shirley to do this better than Hostetler did. And if I'm not mistaken, aren't the international spending pools based on overall record, and not lottery pick?

[Kyyle23]

26 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Sorry but he did call me a dumbass so at that point I took it as gloves off

I’m not saying anyone more than the other, just want it to end that’s all.  

[Texsox]

16 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

Nice win for Chris Getz. Maybe the stuff about internal conflict on the hire was overblown, either way, good for him.

He turned down the Mets and Steve Cohen, so I wonder how Getz sold him on this opportunity. Maybe he’s intrigued by having an opportunity to build something from the ground up

Actually below ground, way below ground. 

[Snopek]

30 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

"What quality, experienced manager would want this job? No one in possession of all his faculties. That’s how you end up with Grifol, and that’s how you end up with Venable. The hiring of La Russa was a warning to qualified managerial candidates: You’re dealing with a strange franchise here."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/10/30/white-sox-have-a-new-manager-its-about-what-youd-expect-will-venable-jerry-reinsdorf-tony-la-russa

Kind of an odd take. Who are all these quality, experienced, yet currently unemployed candidates?

[A-Train to 35th]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They did change the rules, but that doesn't change where the Sox are. Even picking 10th every other year, and not being guaranteed the top draft pick, I have faith in Shirley to do this better than Hostetler did. And if I'm not mistaken, aren't the international spending pools based on overall record, and not lottery pick?

Again, there's BIG difference between picking #1 multiple years in a row instead of picking 10th.  Picking #1 and selecting the best player in the country is usually not a risk.  Hell we picked Vaughn at #3 and how has that worked, decent player but no All Star that's for sure.

[Texsox]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am starting to wonder the same thing.  Crochet was a big win, but pretty much no one on the staff exceeded expectations.

How he doesn't get labeled a crony hire surprises me. 

[greg775]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

A rebuild?

Are you brain dead? You know for the first 25ish years of my memorable life the Sox never went into a season trying to not win. 

I complained occasionally about September collapses, the twins owning us, the Indians crushing our hopes late in the year, but i was always engaged. 

An 82 win team is a thousand times more enjoyable than any rebuilding season. The fact that you think rebuilding again is OK is hilarious. Defending the White Sox spending at the bottom of the league for like 6 of the past 10 years... 

The best part. You're so delusional that you compare the Sox "rebuild" to Houston. The White Sox aren't rebuilding. Calling this a rebuild is hilarious. 

Trading any talent you do have continually for younger talent that's uncertain doesn't guarantee anything but a low payroll.

Ray Ray with a top 10 post for the calendar year 2024. Nice post. This post is everything greg's been saying forever. Greg detests rebuilds or so called rebuilds! Hopefully our new manager will try to win some games with the hideous roster he 'likely' will have unless the Sox wake up and play some guys not named Sosa, Lopez, Beni, DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, Ramos, Moncada, Robinson and get rid of Justin Anderson, Nastrini and other ineffective individuals on the mound.

Edited October 30 by greg775

[almagest]

7 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Kind of an odd take. Who are all these quality, experienced, yet currently unemployed candidates?

Tony LaRussa

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:

Again, there's BIG difference between picking #1 multiple years in a row instead of picking 10th.  Picking #1 and selecting the best player in the country is usually not a risk.  Hell we picked Vaughn at #3 and how has that worked, decent player but no All Star that's for sure.

That Getz player development magic at work.

[TaylorStSox]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yeah, just look at the final four teams. Only the top 3 in salary made the Championship Series. Not all 4! 

Take that you spending money noobs!

Take a look at the Yankees roster and see how many of their players were acquired via FA. I never said not to spend money. I said the days of just buying a contender are pretty much over.

[Dick Allen]

39 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They did change the rules, but that doesn't change where the Sox are. Even picking 10th every other year, and not being guaranteed the top draft pick, I have faith in Shirley to do this better than Hostetler did. And if I'm not mistaken, aren't the international spending pools based on overall record, and not lottery pick?

So you're saying because of Shirley, the Sox should have the same success at 10 they would have had at 1, like the other teams you had mentioned? If Shirley is that great, I can't wait for the big Jacob Gonzalez break out. FYI, since 2017, the #10 pick has a cumulative negative career WAR.

Edited October 30 by Dick Allen

[poppysox]

25 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Kind of an odd take. Who are all these quality, experienced, yet currently unemployed candidates?

Some here refuse to accept that only 30 of these jobs exist.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

14 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Take a look at the Yankees roster and see how many of their players were acquired via FA. I never said not to spend money. I said the days of just buying a contender are pretty much over.

Trading for a guy and then signing him to FA money or trading for a mega-FA contract is the same thing as signing a FA.

The Yankees and Dodgers and etc do those things AND they sign big FA. 

The days of buying a contender has never been louder. Money spent has never correlated with wins more but you proclaim it's over. Amazing.

Edited October 30 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Dick Allen]

Thinking the White Sox are going to build a contender through the draft and trades is a fantasy with the current braintrust.

Edited October 30 by Dick Allen

[Snopek]

12 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Some here refuse to accept that only 30 of these jobs exist.

To be fair, I was referencing Rick Morrissey’s column that Lip linked, not anyone here.

[Kyyle23]

33 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Ray Ray with a top 10 post for the calendar year 2024. Nice post. This post is everything greg's been saying forever. Greg detests rebuilds or so called rebuilds! Hopefully our new manager will try to win some games with the hideous roster he 'likely' will have unless the Sox wake up and play some guys not named Sosa, Lopez, Beni, DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, Ramos, Moncada, Robinson and get rid of Justin Anderson, Nastrini and other ineffective individuals on the mound.

That’s not what he said greg.  He says this is not a rebuild because he knows that the Sox will never commit.  Meaning they are rebuilding the roster constantly, and never going to settle on and pay a team.

lmao 

[WestEddy]

16 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

So you're saying because of Shirley, the Sox should have the same success at 10 they would have had at 1, like the other teams you had mentioned? If Shirley is that great, I can't wait for the big Jacob Gonzalez break out.

I don't remember saying any of that, but if you show me the post, I'd be more than happy to explain it. 

As far as Gonzalez, it's a rumor that was a case where upper management overruled the pros. 

[Lip Man 1]

45 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Kind of an odd take. Who are all these quality, experienced, yet currently unemployed candidates?

That's a good point although history has shown if you are willing to pay the price managers have been "acquired" via trades and $$$ even when under contract to a team. 

[TaylorStSox]

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Trading for a guy and then signing him to FA money or trading for a mega-FA contract is the same thing as signing a FA.

The Yankees and Dodgers and etc do those things AND they sign big FA. 

The days of buying a contender has never been louder. Money spent has never correlated with wins more but you proclaim it's over. Amazing.

Haha. This response is really bad. So you're admitting that those players were acquired via trade and equating that to free agency. People complain about the quality of the free agency class every year, and it's because teams don't allow their players to get to FA anymore. Just admit you're wrong and let's move on. Again, nobody ever said to not spend money.

[Chicago White Sox]

8 hours ago, T R U said:

This is a nice hire on paper and definitely not what I expected them to do. I still don't really see any reason to be excited though, team is still ass and were all going to wait for baseball to be back only to watch another 100+ loss season. At least its a step in the right direction.

We’ve got a massive uphill battle ahead of us no matter what.  That being said, making blatantly dumb decisions along the way will certainly set us back.  This particular hire appears to be a sound one on paper.  It doesn’t make us a good team overnight, but to your point hopefully it’s a step in the right direction.