Venable named new Sox Manager-per Merkin

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

17 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

That’s not what he said greg.  He says this is not a rebuild because he knows that the Sox will never commit.  Meaning they are rebuilding the roster constantly, and never going to settle on and pay a team.

lmao 

"We need Crochets value to get other possible less good crochets to get even more less quality crochets after that."

When everytime you get a good player, "you need to trade them to build the team" at what point you start asking yourself.... what are we actually building here?

[SoxBlanco]

9 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

All that said, hire is meaningless as said earlier.

Who cares who the manager is for a historically inept franchise. 

Ray Ray, there are people in life who suck at their job, do some self reflection, and then try to do things differently. 

There are also people who suck and will always suck because they are too stupid or too stubborn to make changes. 

This hire COULD mean Getz falls into the first category. Do we know that for sure? Of course not. But it’s better than the alternative of hiring from within again or hiring somebody from the Royals again. 

Like you said, the manager of this team will not make a big difference in the win/loss column, especially this year when the roster is so bad. But it’s ok to at least have some hope that the overall big-picture thought process could be headed in the right direction. 

Yes, the key word is “could” and none of this could mean anything positive. But there’s nothing wrong with being a little optimistic and having some hope. 

There’s also nothing wrong with saying “What in the world has this organization ever done to give me hope?” One managerial hire (who I have no clue as to whether they are a good manager) means nothing to me. 

I always lean toward optimism because that’s how I’m wired. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Haha. This response is really bad. So you're admitting that those players were acquired via trade and equating that to free agency. People complain about the quality of the free agency class every year, and it's because teams don't allow their players to get to FA anymore. Just admit you're wrong and let's move on. Again, nobody ever said to not spend money.

The Dodgers trading for Mookie Betts and giving him a market value contract is the same thing as signing Mookie in FA. It costs the same. There was no mookie discount. He said what he wanted publicly, the red sox scoffed and the Dodgers traded for him to give it to him.

3/5 of yanks rotation were FA. Those 3 in rotation cost 520+ million. Stanton had biggest contract in baseball when they bought him. 

There's other ways to get free agents that is purely about highest bidder but those don't count I guess. 

 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

16 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Ray Ray, there are people in life who suck at their job, do some self reflection, and then try to do things differently. 

There are also people who suck and will always suck because they are too stupid or too stubborn to make changes. 

This hire COULD mean Getz falls into the first category. Do we know that for sure? Of course not. But it’s better than the alternative of hiring from within again or hiring somebody from the Royals again. 

Like you said, the manager of this team will not make a big difference in the win/loss column, especially this year when the roster is so bad. But it’s ok to at least have some hope that the overall big-picture thought process could be headed in the right direction. 

Yes, the key word is “could” and none of this could mean anything positive. But there’s nothing wrong with being a little optimistic and having some hope. 

There’s also nothing wrong with saying “What in the world has this organization ever done to give me hope?” One managerial hire (who I have no clue as to whether they are a good manager) means nothing to me. 

I always lean toward optimism because that’s how I’m wired. 

I've been historically really optimistic  but I'm struggling to maintain any optimism at all but I won't squash yours. 

The sox have pulled all my hope away. 

[chitownsportsfan]

Who?

[hi8is]

1 hour ago, greg775 said:

Ray Ray with a top 10 post for the calendar year 2024. Nice post. This post is everything greg's been saying forever. Greg detests rebuilds or so called rebuilds! Hopefully our new manager will try to win some games with the hideous roster he 'likely' will have unless the Sox wake up and play some guys not named Sosa, Lopez, Beni, DeLoach, Fletcher, Julks, Ramos, Moncada, Robinson and get rid of Justin Anderson, Nastrini and other ineffective individuals on the mound.

hi8is doesn’t like it when posters refer to themself in the third person. hi8is does however love Greggypoo.

Really… not really. 

Really. 😆

[hi8is]

1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said:

Take a look at the Yankees roster and see how many of their players were acquired via FA. I never said not to spend money. I said the days of just buying a contender are pretty much over.

We’re really in need of a miracle for any semblance of a hope for years to come.

- You can’t rely on the draft with the new “competitive balance” rules. 

- We also can’t get lottery picks because we’re a big market team. 

- We can’t sign our way into being competitive since stars are costing 500 million bucks.

- We can’t expect to compete internationally for ages since we are way behind the times on that front too. Case in point, we’re just now building a facility in the DR.

- We haven’t been able to develop anything on the offensive side in years.

Our best hope is that Bannister can take our strength of developing starting pitchers to the next level while we instill a similar fixture on the offensive side.

It’s going to be a long fucking road guys.

[TaylorStSox]

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The Dodgers trading for Mookie Betts and giving him a market value contract is the same thing as signing Mookie in FA. It costs the same. There was no mookie discount. He said what he wanted publicly, the red sox scoffed and the Dodgers traded for him to give it to him.

3/5 of yanks rotation were FA. Those 3 in rotation cost 520+ million. Stanton had biggest contract in baseball when they bought him. 

There's other ways to get free agents that is purely about highest bidder but those don't count I guess. 

 

Only 3 of those players actually hit free agency. Again, you're the only one who mentioned spending money. That's not what I'm talking about. As I've stated several times.

[SoxBlanco]

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I've been historically really optimistic  but I'm struggling to maintain any optimism at all but I won't squash yours. 

The sox have pulled all my hope away. 

Totally fair, and it’s impossible to argue with that. 

[TaylorStSox]

4 minutes ago, hi8is said:

We’re really in need of a miracle for any semblance of a hope for years to come.

- You can’t rely on the draft with the new “competitive balance” rules. 

- We also can’t get lottery picks because we’re a big market team. 

- We can’t sign our way into being competitive since stars are costing 500 million bucks.

- We can’t expect to compete internationally for ages since we are way behind the times on that front too. Case in point, we’re just now building a facility in the DR.

- We haven’t been able to develop anything on the offensive side in years.

Our best hope is that Bannister can take our strength of developing starting pitchers to the next level while we instill a similar fixture on the offensive side.

It’s going to be a long fucking road guys.

Yup. The previous team becoming oft injured massive disappointments tanked is for the long run.

[Johno]

Ok, so it sounds like the new manager is getting good reviews, so can someone explain why we are cutting payroll again next year?   Is it not possible to still rebuild the entire organization and still go out and sign some quality free agents?   

[wegner]

15 minutes ago, hi8is said:

We’re really in need of a miracle for any semblance of a hope for years to come.

- You can’t rely on the draft with the new “competitive balance” rules. 

- We also can’t get lottery picks because we’re a big market team. 

- We can’t sign our way into being competitive since stars are costing 500 million bucks.

- We can’t expect to compete internationally for ages since we are way behind the times on that front too. Case in point, we’re just now building a facility in the DR.

- We haven’t been able to develop anything on the offensive side in years.

Our best hope is that Bannister can take our strength of developing starting pitchers to the next level while we instill a similar fixture on the offensive side.

It’s going to be a long fucking road guys.

.500 is out there somewhere, I think

[hi8is]

9 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Yup. The previous team becoming oft injured massive disappointments tanked is for the long run.

Horrible extensions that were too big of a gamble coupled with an owner who wouldn’t pony up while interjecting his hand to heavily… that mainly is what lead us to this point.

So at least now we have a thread of the page being turned. Getz wanted Will Venable and he got em. 

Now it’s time to show up and make some hires that will lead to a better offensive trajectory while we make some heavy trades.

I say that the likelihood of us making the playoffs in the next 7 years is a long shot. Fucking so sad.

[hi8is]

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

.500 is out there somewhere, I think

When we were all up in arms with Hahn having us “mired in mediocrity” — we didn’t realize how bad it would become. 😆

[wegner]

3 minutes ago, hi8is said:

When we were all up in arms with Hahn having us “mired in mediocrity” — we didn’t realize how bad it would become. 😆

"Unprecedented financial flexibility" feels like 15 years ago

[chitownsportsfan]

8 minutes ago, wegner said:

.500 is out there somewhere, I think

I think it's up there somewhere in the top left, that red shifted star.

 

Edited October 30 by chitownsportsfan

[Kyyle23]

53 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

"We need Crochets value to get other possible less good crochets to get even more less quality crochets after that."

When everytime you get a good player, "you need to trade them to build the team" at what point you start asking yourself.... what are we actually building here?

I agree it’s not a full rebuild if you refuse to spend at the end and declare it a failure.  Right now it’s a rebuild to mediocrity, I think we can all agree on that 

[SoxAce]

Kennedi Landry who covers the Rangers said Venable was the outfield coach for that team and Adolis Garcia credited him alot when he won the gold glove.

[TaylorStSox]

18 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Horrible extensions that were too big of a gamble coupled with an owner who wouldn’t pony up while interjecting his hand to heavily… that mainly is what lead us to this point.

So at least now we have a thread of the page being turned. Getz wanted Will Venable and he got em. 

Now it’s time to show up and make some hires that will lead to a better offensive trajectory while we make some heavy trades.

I say that the likelihood of us making the playoffs in the next 7 years is a long shot. Fucking so sad.

Those extensions are a gamble, but a completely necessary one in this environment.

[TaylorStSox]

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I agree it’s not a full rebuild if you refuse to spend at the end and declare it a failure.  Right now it’s a rebuild to mediocrity, I think we can all agree on that 

On this very page, you have people complaining about risky extensions and trading away players every time they get good. lol

[hi8is]

5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Those extensions are a gamble, but a completely necessary one in this environment.

The gambles were taken far too early. Anyhow, sorry - I got us off the focus of this thread.

Yay. Venable. Oh boy.

[chitownsportsfan]

13 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

Kennedi Landry who covers the Rangers said Venable was the outfield coach for that team and Adolis Garcia credited him alot when he won the gold glove.

Pros: outside org hire:

Cons: almost everything else.

Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But we've hired patsy managers over and over since Guillen and the one time we went all against that with TLR it was also a disaster. We've shown no ability to hire a manager that is above replacement and that can work with the FO closely.

[hi8is]

5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

On this very page, you have people complaining about risky extensions and trading away players every time they get good. lol

What’s your deal man?

I listed many facts that all contributed to the position we are in… the extensions were inarguably one of them. Why focus on just that one point?

I don’t even understand the point you’re trying to make.

[hi8is]

4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

Cons: almost everything else.

What specifically is your qualm? “Almost everything else” sounds like there’s a lot for you to choose from.

So have at it.

[Lip Man 1]

49 minutes ago, Johno said:

Ok, so it sounds like the new manager is getting good reviews, so can someone explain why we are cutting payroll again next year?   Is it not possible to still rebuild the entire organization and still go out and sign some quality free agents?   

The payroll is getting cut again because the profit margin simply hasn't been enough for the owner the past few years.

It is possible to do the bolded part in a good organization. The White Sox are not a good organization and the owner continues to feel superstars/quality talent isn't worth the money they are getting paid by other clubs. Just this past year he basically called them stupid for doing so.

Nothing changes until he is gone.