Venable named new Sox Manager-per Merkin

[ChiSox59]

1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

It's a narrative crushing hire.  They didn't hire the LaRussa guy, the cheap guy or the ex-Royal guy.  They hired the best available young manager who has turned down other manager jobs which means Chris had to sell him on his vision for the organization.  It's a very exciting hire.  

This is a good post. It’s hard to be excited about the White Sox, but this is a really good move. 

[PaleAleSox]

19 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Oh, got it. The guy who just lost 120+ games after turning over a roster he didn't like should be trusted to turn the org around. 

Who is in here saying they trust all of this? People want to be cautiously optimistic. That's it. They HOPE it's a step in the right direction. What do you want people to be doing about this? Be mad? 

[WestEddy]

55 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The team that told everyone they are slashing payroll again, after a historically bad season, is serious about winning because they hired a manager with zero managerial experience who adds very little value because managers add very little value?

It's amazing how low some of you have sunk in the world of expectations.

So, we should be expecting a world series champion at the end of 2025, and be enraged when they don't succeed? 

People are assuring us this team won't compete for the next 5-6 years. Should they be signing guys like Santander to a 10 year contract so they're here when we finally win?

[ChiSox59]

56 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

Does Venable dump the coaching staff and bring in his own guys?  Very curious if he brings in any offensive minds from Texas with him.

I do hope guys like Sizemore, Jirschele, Bannister and Sisson are retained, at least somewhere in the org. Would be kind of a drag to lose Jirschele after giving him a short term promotion. I think Bannister is a given to stay, and I’d be surprised if Grady isn’t in the staff. 

Edited yesterday at 03:00 PM by ChiSox59

[WestEddy]

47 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:

This team is coming off the worst season in modern baseball history. Every single coach from last year should be fired. None of them will ever likely work in professional baseball in a serious role gain either. 

I'm not sure where, but somebody made a point in the last few days that hitting coaches are fungible, and move around regularly.

When he was hitting coach in Miami, Tino Martinez physically accosted players on the Marlins who went to Greg Norton instead of Tino, and he actually choked a couple. Tino Martinez will likely never work in professional baseball in a serious role again. If Marcus Thames could fog a mirror, somebody would hire him. 

[poppysox]

I'm glad to see a new manager hired in time to have input into the FA process.

[Tony]

8 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So, we should be expecting a world series champion at the end of 2025, and be enraged when they don't succeed? 

People are assuring us this team won't compete for the next 5-6 years. Should they be signing guys like Santander to a 10 year contract so they're here when we finally win?

I know it's your bit to take things to the extreme, but it just makes you look like a clown. 

Will Venable may be a good hire. Maybe he won't. None of us really know. I agree it's a positive that it isn't a former Royal or someone with close ties to La Russa, but as Ray was pointing out, it's sad the bar is low enough that excitement comes from the Sox not doing what they always do. 

But that's what happens when you've turned into one of the worst franchises in sports. Expectations become so low, that anything slightly different feels like a huge win. 

Everyone on this board hopes this is the start of a new chapter of Sox Baseball. But it's absolutely asinine to look down or judge a fan for having doubts about this organization putting in a real effort to turn this franchise into a perennial winner. 

[Quin]

34 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Imagine being OK with a GM saying we're going to be horrible for at least my first 3 years. So bad that conversations of moving and etc come into the world. 

Then imagine celebrating a move that guy made.

I have no interest in watching this team tank and pocket cash for another three years. 

You know what would change the fucking narrative? Signing Juan Soto given the zero payroll obligations. Pretending that Chris Getz is turning the tides because he got some manager here is laughable. 

Yeah, this move looks good in a vacuum because it defies expectations.

But it's not like Getz made an actual roster move to inspire confidence, so we can hold our horses. Veneable may be the answer to the long running issue of the manager losing games, but Getz needs to assemble a non-horrific, shambling corpse of a roster.

 

[46DidIt]

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

White Sox aren't going to get back to mediocrity with a managerial hire. 

Great point. Might as well just kept Grifol

[Boopa1219]

24 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I do hope guys like Sizemore, Jirschele, Bannister and Sisson are retained, at least somewhere in the org. Would be kind of a drag to lose Jirschele after giving him a short term promotion. I think Bannister is a given to stay, and I’d be surprised if Grady isn’t in the staff. 

Bannister and Katz are in no danger of losing their jobs. Pitching is the one thing that worked last season and both seem pretty highly regarded. Again, most GMs lead the hiring of the hitting and pitching coaches. 

[Tnetennba]

4 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Great point. Might as well just kept Grifol

I think we are smart enough to recognize that Grifol was so inept that he actively contributed to the losing and absolutely needed to go, while also acknowledging that Venable looks like a solid hire that breaks the mold of standard White Sox M.O.  And also that no managerial hire alone will lift a 120 loss team devoid of talent back to contention. All of these things can simultaneously be true.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

28 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

So, we should be expecting a world series champion at the end of 2025, and be enraged when they don't succeed? 

People are assuring us this team won't compete for the next 5-6 years. Should they be signing guys like Santander to a 10 year contract so they're here when we finally win?

They should be trying to win games every year. The fact they fans have lost site of that is fascinating. 

Embarrassing too.

[Kyyle23]

I guess I don’t really feel like Getz “selling his vision” to Venable is all that exciting since he did the same with Reinsdorf and that’s how he got to crash the org into the side of a mountain last season 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

10 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Great point. Might as well just kept Grifol

I'd be fine with your dumbass managing this team. That's how little a manager matters to a team void of talent and hope. 

I don't pay to watch Will make pitching changes and post a lineup but maybe that's your thing. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

Bannister and Katz are in no danger of losing their jobs. Pitching is the one thing that worked last season and both seem pretty highly regarded. Again, most GMs lead the hiring of the hitting and pitching coaches. 

What has Ethan Katz done?

[almagest]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What has Ethan Katz done?

Not much, in my mind. Starting pitching has been alright, given the talent, but it seems like the bullpen has underachieved every year he's been here. They also dropped a bunch of solid relievers for nothing, who went on to be good elsewhere.

If Katz goes I won't be upset.

[Dick Allen]

Venable's brother played for the Bears.

[46DidIt]

9 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

I think we are smart enough to recognize that Grifol was so inept that he actively contributed to the losing and absolutely needed to go, while also acknowledging that Venable looks like a solid hire that breaks the mold of standard White Sox M.O.  And also that no managerial hire alone will lift a 120 loss team devoid of talent back to contention. All of these things can simultaneously be true.

What’s this ‘we’? I was responding to Ray Ray’s comment

[Kyyle23]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What has Ethan Katz done?

Well he worked with Giolito because they knew each other from hig…….

 

Ok, He hasn’t really done much at all

[46DidIt]

8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'd be fine with your dumbass managing this team. 

Hey Ray Ray go f*** yourself. You’ll have take your head out of your own ass first though

[The Grinder]

Jerry  boo

Chris lukewarm booo

Will yeah!!

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, Tony said:

I know it's your bit to take things to the extreme, but it just makes you look like a clown. 

Will Venable may be a good hire. Maybe he won't. None of us really know. I agree it's a positive that it isn't a former Royal or someone with close ties to La Russa, but as Ray was pointing out, it's sad the bar is low enough that excitement comes from the Sox not doing what they always do. 

But that's what happens when you've turned into one of the worst franchises in sports. Expectations become so low, that anything slightly different feels like a huge win. 

Everyone on this board hopes this is the start of a new chapter of Sox Baseball. But it's absolutely asinine to look down or judge a fan for having doubts about this organization putting in a real effort to turn this franchise into a perennial winner. 

You could do this without regularly chastising me for my writing style, and the name-calling. 

We're in a rebuild. Houston and Baltimore endured multiple 100-loss seasons before their current competitive windows. A bunch of glum dudes softened up this selection for over a week by labeling everybody as a TLR hire, a JR hire, or God-forbid, somebody who ever wore a Royal uniform. The very people now shaking their heads at the low expectations LOWERED THOSE EXPECTATIONS THEMSELVES!!!

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They should be trying to win games every year. The fact they fans have lost site of that is fascinating. 

Embarrassing too.

It's a rebuild, and teams go through multiple seasons of losing 100+ games. Houston, Baltimore and the Cubs are teams that bit the bullet and tanked for multiple seasons to set up their winning windows. Teams like the Padres, and Baltimore (before their main, recent rebuild) languished for years below .500, trying to "win games", but never quite enough to get over .500.

[LittleHurtCG]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It's a rebuild, and teams go through multiple seasons of losing 100+ games. Houston, Baltimore and the Cubs are teams that bit the bullet and tanked for multiple seasons to set up their winning windows. Teams like the Padres, and Baltimore (before their main, recent rebuild) languished for years below .500, trying to "win games", but never quite enough to get over .500.

This team already went through a tank job in the not too distant past. It didn't work and lead down a path where the team is in absolute shambles. A full blown tear down will never work as long as JR is the owner. They need to start signing some veteran free agents and try the lighting in a bottle approach again.  

[hi8is]

10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Damn who wrote this , his press agent ?

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