Ryan Fuller Hired as Director of Hitting

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Getz has done more for the infrastructure of this organization in a year than his predecessor did in a decade +.  Admittedly, the comparison is a ridiculously low bar, but I think the Sox will make the playoffs prior to Getz' year 8. 

Perhaps he should acquire more talent evaluators since he can’t do it worth a damn judging by his acquisitions thus far.

[Bob Sacamano]

Former Sox legend Cody Asche named hitting coach for O’s

[ChiSox59]

22 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Former Sox legend Cody Asche named hitting coach for O’s

Former Soxtalk banner man, iirc.

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Former Soxtalk banner man, iirc.

Lol yeah. First thought when I saw his name. It’s why I had to share the info.

Possibly @Greg Hibbard’s profile pic at one point?

Edited Wednesday at 03:41 AM by Bob Sacamano

[JoeC]

So THAT was the other shoe with this FO move.

Getz was got.

[caulfield12]

10 hours ago, almagest said:

Sox hitters: "Wait just a darn minute here... you can hit the ball IN THE AIR?!"

Cue Eloy "Hi, mom!" GIF.

Jimenez headed back to the Southside to be fixed up.

[Chisoxfn]

4 hours ago, zisk said:

hitting ball in air. good. how does he feel about walks?

No walks, but I hear he really likes bunting it into the air….its like hot ice…it’s the best of both worlds

In all seriousness, seems like another solid and reasonable move…which is good. 

[Boopa1219]

13 hours ago, DirtySox said:

 

I wonder how fast he can make an impact. Bannister’s impact was felt immediately seemingly, and Getz allowed him to have input on trade acquisitions, free agency and the draft. I assume he’ll let Fuller have the same level of input. Good hire. 

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

I wonder how fast he can make an impact. Bannister’s impact was felt immediately seemingly, and Getz allowed him to have input on trade acquisitions, free agency and the draft. I assume he’ll let Fuller have the same level of input. Good hire. 

Now if we could only have even 50% of the Orioles' young hitting talent...

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Perhaps he should acquire more talent evaluators since he can’t do it worth a damn judging by his acquisitions thus far.

I swear I know your posts when  I read them without seeing who wrote it 1st.  😋

[Boopa1219]

31 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Now if we could only have even 50% of the Orioles' young hitting talent...

That’s what drafts and trades are for

[bmags]

@Y2Jimmy0 do you think hector was right that intl will still build out a director role underneath Keller ?

[Snopek]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I swear I know your posts when  I read them without seeing who wrote it 1st.  😋

Not sure if you heard, but Getz could've gotten Jake McCarthy instead of Fletcher and Luke Keaschall instead of Vargas.

[Y2Jimmy0]

1 hour ago, bmags said:

@Y2Jimmy0 do you think hector was right that intl will still build out a director role underneath Keller ?

I don't know. I think Keller is running the department. I can check in with Francys though. 

[bmags]

29 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I don't know. I think Keller is running the department. I can check in with Francys though. 

not even sure it matters other than as a sign of a more robust dept. You were right, it was Francys.

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

not even sure it matters other than as a sign of a more robust dept. You were right, it was Francys.

Just for the sake of the system, I would much prefer a native who is fluent in the language, plus knows the culture and has a natural access to the way things are done down there.  Someone coming at it from the outside will probably have a much longer learning curve.

[bmags]

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Just for the sake of the system, I would much prefer a native who is fluent in the language, plus knows the culture and has a natural access to the way things are done down there.  Someone coming at it from the outside will probably have a much longer learning curve.

I don't know, I don't believe someone should need to actually BE there at that level, they need to manage the operation which, ideally, should be global.

[Boopa1219]

Luis Sillverio?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

8 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

I wonder how fast he can make an impact. Bannister’s impact was felt immediately seemingly, and Getz allowed him to have input on trade acquisitions, free agency and the draft. I assume he’ll let Fuller have the same level of input. Good hire. 

I have no idea why any of you think Brian Bannister should make player decisions. His job should be to develop talent, not chose the talent he develops. 

[southsider2k5]

22 minutes ago, bmags said:

I don't know, I don't believe someone should need to actually BE there at that level, they need to manage the operation which, ideally, should be global.

And if that is the way it is done, that's fine.

[PaleAleSox]

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I have no idea why any of you think Brian Bannister should make player decisions. His job should be to develop talent, not chose the talent he develops. 

You don’t think a pitching or hitting director should look at tape on a guy they might trade for and give input? 

[Chicago White Sox]

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I have no idea why any of you think Brian Bannister should make player decisions. His job should be to develop talent, not chose the talent he develops. 

He should certainly have a role in the process.  Just don’t think he should be driving pitching roster decisions.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I have no idea why any of you think Brian Bannister should make player decisions. His job should be to develop talent, not chose the talent he develops. 

Does a mechanic choose the cars he works on ? Of course he can , if given a choice, prefer one over the other if he feels he does his best working on certain engines.

Just look at Bannister or any coach that way. If he has a higher success rate with a certain type and you're choosng among 2 guys, who , with most things being equal and no general consensus on who to choose , you go with the guy Bannister thinks is more moldable or pliable and adaptive to his coaching style.

Trying to quantify the effect of coaching is pretty difficult. A coach who works with hundreds of prospects over a length of time you will have many more failures if success is messaged by quality MLB players. Let's say you have a 1% success rate and there's some industry norm where 2 or 3 % is considered great development. Choosing the right players who are highly adaptive and respond well to and realize the path to getting better is through patience and trial and error can make all the difference .If Bannister is the head honcho of pitching in the organization he should have a say. If  scouts were so good at picking pitchers they'd be pitching coaches. Your scouts should at least consider the organization pitching philosophy which Bannister is the boss of. They should know what he likes . His input is obviously the most important part of pitching development right now.

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:50 PM by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[JoeC]

7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Does a mechanic choose the cars he works on ? Of course he can , if given a choice, prefer one over the other if he feels he does his best working on certain engines.

Just look at Bannister or any coach that way. If he has a higher success rate with a certain type and you're choosng among 2 guys, who , with most things being equal and no general consensus on who to choose , you go with the guy Bannister thinks is more moldable or pliable and adaptive to his coaching style.

@Look at Ray Ray Run and I went over this a couple of weeks back.

Basically, I think you guys are in agreement. That said, the distinction is that, in Ray Ray's view, guys like Bannister (the coaching staff / development-responsible guys) should let the talent acquisition guys (scouts, GM, analysts, etc.) know the types of player they need, but they shouldn't be in charge of acquiring the players.

The talent acquisition guys should know these preferences and tendencies and be able to identify the right players based on the coaches' input, but the acquisitions ultimately need to be made by a group that specializes in it.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

42 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Does a mechanic choose the cars he works on ? Of course he can , if given a choice, prefer one over the other if he feels he does his best working on certain engines.

Just look at Bannister or any coach that way. If he has a higher success rate with a certain type and you're choosng among 2 guys, who , with most things being equal and no general consensus on who to choose , you go with the guy Bannister thinks is more moldable or pliable and adaptive to his coaching style.

Trying to quantify the effect of coaching is pretty difficult. A coach who works with hundreds of prospects over a length of time you will have many more failures if success is messaged by quality MLB players. Let's say you have a 1% success rate and there's some industry norm where 2 or 3 % is considered great development. Choosing the right players who are highly adaptive and respond well to and realize the path to getting better is through patience and trial and error can make all the difference .If Bannister is the head honcho of pitching in the organization he should have a say. If  scouts were so good at picking pitchers they'd be pitching coaches. Your scouts should at least consider the organization pitching philosophy which Bannister is the boss of. They should know what he likes . His input is obviously the most important part of pitching development right now.

 

At no point in Bannister's career has he been dictating the guys he had those higher success rates with. When guys who develop chose the guys they develop, you can very quickly become incredibly narrow minded and singular in focus and the diversity of perspective. Confirmation bias is something that consumes almost anyone that absorbs both roles in any industry. Evaluators and developers require different skill sets. Evaluators, generally speaking, can be much more analytically influenced and should lean into their evaluations and the mean of outcomes, while a developer often-times will see the ceiling of a player. What "I can get out of him."

People seem to understand this concept with the GM not being the coach, but for some reason they don't understand the implications are the same down stream. If you're the director of pitching, the TA's job is to identify how you succeed and CONSIDER that in their evaluations as a component of value but it shouldn't drive value or be the key decision component of personnel decision.

Edited Wednesday at 07:08 PM by Look at Ray Ray Run