caulfield12 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: Often times, those you are referring to as 2nd or 3rd tier players turn into dependable everyday players. Something quite frankly we haven't had in right field in over a decade. And as stated often times high ceiling players don't reach that ceiling. It may be coaching, circumstances, injuries, lack of development or any number of reasons. I'm not suggesting they don't aspire to acquire those high ceiling guys. However someone like Abreu who has shown mlb success, built a nice reputation amongst Boston fans, wouldn't be someone to be disappointed about in my opinion. Again, so long as he's not the centerpiece....I don't think he will be. Basabe and Zavala come to mind...high ceiling/low floor/high bust rate types. W.Abreu has at least had one solid all-around big league season...only Eaton and Avi Garcia have had better single years since Jermaine Dye patrolled RF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) Are the Sox really going to trade Crochet? I assume whoever they get won't be ready for 2-3 years? I'm just wondering if we're only gonna win between 40 and 50 games again in 2025. I won't make any predictions until late January when it's obvious the roster is complete. Say what you want but taking Crochet out of the mix isn't exactly going to help the team in its pursuit of 50 wins. ... If the Sox are continuing the tank, I'd think they'd just want to have all openers who go two innings max followed by a parade of one-inning guys. If the goal is not to win why would they risk injury to any pitcher? Just have 'em all go 2 innings max and showcase their repertoire all season. Our staff isn't exactly going to be made up of proven guys. p.s. If they do want to trade Robert I would think they'd wait til the trade deadline to see if he gets good again. His value can't be too high after that mediocre season he had. 35 RBI and a .224 BA in the old days was Ken Berry-like (good field no hit) not Willie Mays-like. Edited November 22 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 46 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: only Eaton and Avi Garcia have had better single years since Jermaine Dye patrolled RF. I am starting to feel old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 minutes ago, hi8is said: I am starting to feel old. This board has been around so long I remember the days Dye and Avi Garcia both had serious detractors on here with me standing up for them a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 14 minutes ago, greg775 said: go two innings max followed by a parade of one-inning guys. If the goal is not to win why would they risk injury to any pitcher? Just have 'em all go 2 innings max and showcase their repertoire all season. Talk about a hot take 😆😆😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 28 minutes ago, hi8is said: Talk about a hot take 😆😆😆 I was just thinking if we're not going to compete, just pitch all our prospects one or two innings at a time. We'll still win 40 games. We proved last year you can win 40 and change just by showing up every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 10 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Another that he was overly concerned with velocity since his legendary Texas HS baseball days (set some crazy mark like 103-105 MPH) and was known to be trying to throw a ball through a wall (wanted even MORE velo back then) rather than being a pitcher (simply a raw thrower who relied on stuff mostly and wasn't refined or mature). Yeah, a live arm with ace stuff. Nothing like chopped liver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Yeah, a live arm with ace stuff. Nothing like chopped liver. Nuke LaLoosh in the flesh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Basabe and Zavala come to mind...high ceiling/low floor/high bust rate types. W.Abreu has at least had one solid all-around big league season...only Eaton and Avi Garcia have had better single years since Jermaine Dye patrolled RF. Agree as long as Abreu is the #2 piece in a trade. He is pretty much only reliable hitting against RH pitching. But he is young and going against lefties should be the next step in his offense. Boston has a need to find a hole for one of their young OF prospects so Abreu should be a nice 2nd piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, SCCWS said: Agree as long as Abreu is the #2 piece in a trade. He is pretty much only reliable hitting against RH pitching. But he is young and going against lefties should be the next step in his offense. Boston has a need to find a hole for one of their young OF prospects so Abreu should be a nice 2nd piece I would prefer the Sox target prospects that have more ceiling and that could be stashed for at least a season in the minors while the MLB club is terrible. Abreu a fine player, but is he a guy that moves the needle much? He is way better against RHP (.825 OPS vs .532 OPS vs lefties in 2024) which brings platoon bat concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) 33 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I would prefer the Sox target prospects that have more ceiling and that could be stashed for at least a season in the minors while the MLB club is terrible. Abreu a fine player, but is he a guy that moves the needle much? He is way better against RHP (.825 OPS vs .532 OPS vs lefties in 2024) which brings platoon bat concerns. Doesn’t Slater hit well against LHP over his career? I think it’s generally much easier to find guys that can hit LHP versus the other way around. Edited November 22 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I don't see this posted previously - Elijah Evans at Just Baseball posted 5 Crochet trade spitballs: https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/5-mlb-trade-offers-the-white-sox-would-take-for-garrett-crochet/ Quote Orioles: Potential Trade Package: OF Enrique Bradfield (JB MLB No. 71), OF Dylan Beavers, LHP Cade Povich, C Creed Willems Phillies: Potential Trade Package: C Eduardo Tait (JB MLB No. 52), SS Starlyn Caba (JB MLB No. 72), OF Gabriel Rincones Jr., RHP Michael Mercado Dodgers: Potential Trade Package: C Dalton Rushing (JB MLB No. 23), SS Alex Freeland, SS Emil Morales Red Sox: Potential Trade Package: OF Wilyer Abreu, OF Braden Montgomery (JB MLB No. 77), SS Franklin Arias, LHP Connelly Early Cubs: Potential Trade Package: OF Owen Caissie (JB MLB No. 35), SS Jefferson Rojas (JB MLB No. 53), RHP Jaxon Wiggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I don't see this posted previously - Elijah Evans at Just Baseball posted 5 Crochet trade spitballs: https://www.justbaseball.com/mlb/5-mlb-trade-offers-the-white-sox-would-take-for-garrett-crochet/ Thanks. IMHO: Orioles - Hell no. Phillies - No. Dodgers - Hell yeah. Red Sox - Sure, I guess. Cubs - No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Heyman reporting today the four teams most in on Crochet are Orioles, Red Sox, Dodgers and Phillies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 Those are all pretty easy “no’s” for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Heyman reporting today the four teams most in on Crochet are Orioles, Red Sox, Dodgers and Phillies. Please not the Dodgers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Heyman reporting today the four teams most in on Crochet are Orioles, Red Sox, Dodgers and Phillies. In other words, Chris Getz hasn't had enough activity recently so he called Heyman and made stuff up to try to drive more calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 30 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: In other words, Chris Getz hasn't had enough activity recently so he called Heyman and made stuff up to try to drive more calls. Why is it hard to believe teams are very inter in Crochet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 The main way I'd change my priors based on that heyman report is more like "the mets may be less interested than I thought prior to reading that tweet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 5 minutes ago, bmags said: The main way I'd change my priors based on that heyman report is more like "the mets may be less interested than I thought prior to reading that tweet" Hopefully it is a case where the Mets don't enough to win the bidding, but I am not getting my hopes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 28 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Why is it hard to believe teams are very inter in Crochet? I'm happy to believe they are. I do not believe that if they're serious about it, they're all regularly calling up Heyman for updates. I do not believe that, if Getz was deep in getting strong offers, he would be leaking a general list of teams like that to Heyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: I'm happy to believe they are. I do not believe that if they're serious about it, they're all regularly calling up Heyman for updates. I do not believe that, if Getz was deep in getting strong offers, he would be leaking a general list of teams like that to Heyman. We are hearing about teams interested in Juan Soto. What's the difference? Is Juan Soto thinking he isn't good enough offers that he hasn't even gotten yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Heyman reporting today the four teams most in on Crochet are Orioles, Red Sox, Dodgers and Phillies. Here’s the source article… “Garrett Crochet headlines star-studded MLB trade market“ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 27 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: We are hearing about teams interested in Juan Soto. What's the difference? Is Juan Soto thinking he isn't good enough offers that he hasn't even gotten yet? If I hear someone is interested in Juan Soto, who do you think I believe leaked the information about the interest in this free agent? Take one moment on this. What person, good honest chap, involved in the Juan Soto negotiations might feel there's some benefit to him in leaking that teams are interested in Juan Soto? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 26 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If I hear someone is interested in Juan Soto, who do you think I believe leaked the information about the interest in this free agent? Take one moment on this. What person, good honest chap, involved in the Juan Soto negotiations might feel there's some benefit to him in leaking that teams are interested in Juan Soto? I’m confused why it matters? First off, we have no idea if Chris Getz is leaking this information. And if he is then he is doing…what every other team/player does for their own personal gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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