Potential Crochet Trade discussion Thread

[Balta1701]

10 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I’m confused why it matters? First off, we have no idea if Chris Getz is leaking this information. And if he is then he is doing…what every other team/player does for their own personal gain.

When Scott Boras tells Heyman that there is a mystery team bidding on a player, and Heyman publishes it...do you accept it as 100% the truth? 

[PaleAleSox]

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

When Scott Boras tells Heyman that there is a mystery team bidding on a player, and Heyman publishes it...do you accept it as 100% the truth? 

I don't take any baseball rumor as 100 percent truth. But I think your leap to "Chris Getz is making this up because there isn't much interest in Garrett Crochet" is insane. 

[Balta1701]

9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I don't take any baseball rumor as 100 percent truth. But I think your leap to "Chris Getz is making this up because there isn't much interest in Garrett Crochet" is insane. 

"hasn't had enough activity recently" is not "There isn't much interest in him". 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 11/21/2024 at 3:02 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

Abreu is a fine player, but five years of control isn’t great when your team is very far away from competing.  Having him and Vargas (also with five years of control if he works out) be two key pieces of a potential rebuilt lineup seems a bit shortsighted IMO.

On the other hand accumulation of talent is not just for playoff teams. You need talent to get to 60, 70 ,80 wins too.

The more talent you have the more you can do with it.

Many are talking about a 10 year rebuild . If Getz has any kind of vision it might have more to do with being more like Tampa Bay and they are always trying to go from average to above average , playoff team by finding a balance between developing youth and trading it away at the right time and continuing to win.Depth of talent has to come 1st and that only happens once you fix scouting and player development domestically and internationally. Then your GM has to trust his talent evaluators in trades. I think most GMs scamble to gather info from their guys once a team shows interest in your players .A good infrastructure  can provide that info efficiently and identify players of interest from all levels of any system.

[Soxfest]

Need to trade him soon

Edited Sunday at 08:52 PM by Soxfest

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

On the other hand accumulation of talent is not just for playoff teams. You need talent to get to 60, 70 ,80 wins too.

The more talent you have the more you can do with it.

Many are talking about a 10 year rebuild . If Getz has any kind of vision it might have more to do with being more like Tampa Bay and they are always trying to go from average to above average , playoff team by finding a balance between developing youth and trading it away at the right time and continuing to win.Depth of talent has to come 1st and that only happens once you fix scouting and player development domestically and internationally. Then your GM has to trust his talent evaluators in trades. I think most GMs scamble to gather info from their guys once a team shows interest in your players .A good infrastructure  can provide that info efficiently and identify players of interest from all levels of any system.

Now if only TB had a stadium to play in...public funding for stadium roof repairs after the hurricane hung up now by politics.

[joejoesox]

Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

3 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players

I think that's correct.  However, I also think the 3rd prospect will be interesting and in a theoretical 100-200 range

[Texsox]

39 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players

That won't stop us from complaining about the deal. 

[Balta1701]

40 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I think that's correct.  However, I also think the 3rd prospect will be interesting and in a theoretical 100-200 range

We are 2 weeks from the start of the winter meetings, they end in about 2.5 weeks. If someone is going to make an aggressive move for him and give that type of return, it’s likely in the next 3 weeks. 

If not, then that’s telling you teams are waiting for Getz to drop his price.

[DFAthewave69420]

From Bob

 

They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

10 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

From Bob

 

They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/

I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit,

[PaleAleSox]

15 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit,

Yeah I don't love Bohm coming over. He can be a third piece if the Sox are throwing in some other garbage or something, but he can't be one of the 2 (I'm assuming) big "pieces" of this trade. 

[Chicago White Sox]

34 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

From Bob

 

They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/

Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm?  Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us.

[PaleAleSox]

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm?  Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us.

Maybe the Sox are getting a better prospect package if they take him off their hands?

[bighurt574]

1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players

I’m not expecting more than 2 top 100 players for Crochet, but every pitcher has injury risk these days.  I’m far from convinced Crochet is a bigger risk than anybody else with the low mileage on his arm.  

[Harold's Leg Lift]

48 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

From Bob

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/

Probably need to start a Luis Robert trade discussion thread.

[WhiteSox2023]

35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm?  Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us.

Yep, more ridiculous trade targets.  Two years of these two guys does absolutely nothing for this team.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, joejoesox said:

Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players

The price of Garrett Crochet on the open market has a minimum price tag of 5/150 as established by Glasnow's deal with the Dodgers.  If he can stay healthy, it's up near Cole.  People can say what they want, but the market states pretty clearly was Garrett Crochet is worth.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, DFAthewave69420 said:

From Bob

 

They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/

Even after a 121 loss season, Chris Getz is looking at taking short cuts.

[WhiteSox2023]

59 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Maybe the Sox are getting a better prospect package if they take him off their hands?

Since when do trades work like that?  Maybe if they had huge bloated contracts and were bad players.  But Bohm and Lux are both worth their salaries so it’s not like they have negative trade value.  Bohm is projected to receive $8.1 million via arbitration for 2025, which isn’t bad for a 3 WAR player last year.  Lux is projected to receive $2.7 million for 2025 and he was a 2.1 WAR player last year.

So they aren’t bad players, but what does Getz think 4 to 5 more wins is doing for this team in 2025 and 2026?  And you would be losing Crochet and/or Robert’s WAR/production, which could be a net loss.

Either guy included in a Crochet or Robert trade isn’t going to increase the prospect returns.  It will decrease them.

Edited 20 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[southsider2k5]

15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Since when do trades work like that?  Maybe if they had huge bloated contracts and were bad players.  But Bohm and Lux are both worth their salaries so it’s not like they have negative trade value.  Bohm is projected to receive $8.1 million via arbitration for 2025, which isn’t bad for a 3 WAR player last year.  Lux is projected to receive $2.7 million for 2025 and he was a 2.1 WAR player last year.

So they aren’t bad players, but what does Getz think 4 to 5 more wins is doing for this team in 2025 and 2026?  Either guy included in a Crochet or Robert trade isn’t going to increase the prospect returns.  It will decrease them.

If I had to bet?  This is part of moving money around to get Benintendi into the deal.

[SoCalChiSox]

1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit,

Agreed. Makes no sense. Bohm does nothing for a rebuilding team and we have like 3-4 3B and no true SS.

Crawford would be a fun replacement for Robert in CF, but replace Bohm with another big piece. 

Miller (Law thinks he will stick at SS) and Crawford would do it, but PHI won't include both.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by SoCalChiSox

[TheFutureIsNear]

Getz has already pulled off 1 (bad) 3 team trade…Crawford + flipping Bohm to a 3rd team for another 2 good prospects sounds like a fairly ideal scenario.
Just not sure what Bohm’s value is and what those 2 prospects would look like.

 

 

[fathom]

Sox would flip Bohm, IMO, for prospects