Balta1701 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 10 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I’m confused why it matters? First off, we have no idea if Chris Getz is leaking this information. And if he is then he is doing…what every other team/player does for their own personal gain. When Scott Boras tells Heyman that there is a mystery team bidding on a player, and Heyman publishes it...do you accept it as 100% the truth? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: When Scott Boras tells Heyman that there is a mystery team bidding on a player, and Heyman publishes it...do you accept it as 100% the truth? I don't take any baseball rumor as 100 percent truth. But I think your leap to "Chris Getz is making this up because there isn't much interest in Garrett Crochet" is insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't take any baseball rumor as 100 percent truth. But I think your leap to "Chris Getz is making this up because there isn't much interest in Garrett Crochet" is insane. "hasn't had enough activity recently" is not "There isn't much interest in him". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 On 11/21/2024 at 3:02 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Abreu is a fine player, but five years of control isn’t great when your team is very far away from competing. Having him and Vargas (also with five years of control if he works out) be two key pieces of a potential rebuilt lineup seems a bit shortsighted IMO. On the other hand accumulation of talent is not just for playoff teams. You need talent to get to 60, 70 ,80 wins too. The more talent you have the more you can do with it. Many are talking about a 10 year rebuild . If Getz has any kind of vision it might have more to do with being more like Tampa Bay and they are always trying to go from average to above average , playoff team by finding a balance between developing youth and trading it away at the right time and continuing to win.Depth of talent has to come 1st and that only happens once you fix scouting and player development domestically and internationally. Then your GM has to trust his talent evaluators in trades. I think most GMs scamble to gather info from their guys once a team shows interest in your players .A good infrastructure can provide that info efficiently and identify players of interest from all levels of any system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) Need to trade him soon Edited November 24 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: On the other hand accumulation of talent is not just for playoff teams. You need talent to get to 60, 70 ,80 wins too. The more talent you have the more you can do with it. Many are talking about a 10 year rebuild . If Getz has any kind of vision it might have more to do with being more like Tampa Bay and they are always trying to go from average to above average , playoff team by finding a balance between developing youth and trading it away at the right time and continuing to win.Depth of talent has to come 1st and that only happens once you fix scouting and player development domestically and internationally. Then your GM has to trust his talent evaluators in trades. I think most GMs scamble to gather info from their guys once a team shows interest in your players .A good infrastructure can provide that info efficiently and identify players of interest from all levels of any system. Now if only TB had a stadium to play in...public funding for stadium roof repairs after the hurricane hung up now by politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 3 minutes ago, joejoesox said: Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players I think that's correct. However, I also think the 3rd prospect will be interesting and in a theoretical 100-200 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 39 minutes ago, joejoesox said: Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players That won't stop us from complaining about the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 40 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I think that's correct. However, I also think the 3rd prospect will be interesting and in a theoretical 100-200 range We are 2 weeks from the start of the winter meetings, they end in about 2.5 weeks. If someone is going to make an aggressive move for him and give that type of return, it’s likely in the next 3 weeks. If not, then that’s telling you teams are waiting for Getz to drop his price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFAthewave69420 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 From Bob They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 10 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said: From Bob They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/ I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit, 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 15 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit, Yeah I don't love Bohm coming over. He can be a third piece if the Sox are throwing in some other garbage or something, but he can't be one of the 2 (I'm assuming) big "pieces" of this trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 34 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said: From Bob They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/ Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm? Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm? Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us. Maybe the Sox are getting a better prospect package if they take him off their hands? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, joejoesox said: Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players I’m not expecting more than 2 top 100 players for Crochet, but every pitcher has injury risk these days. I’m far from convinced Crochet is a bigger risk than anybody else with the low mileage on his arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 48 minutes ago, DFAthewave69420 said: From Bob https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/ Probably need to start a Luis Robert trade discussion thread. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why in the world would we want two years of Bohm? Do a three way trade if necessary, but holy s%*# Getz him and Lux don’t do s%*# for us. Yep, more ridiculous trade targets. Two years of these two guys does absolutely nothing for this team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, joejoesox said: Elijah Evans says crochet has too much injury risk to warrant more than just 2 top 100 players The price of Garrett Crochet on the open market has a minimum price tag of 5/150 as established by Glasnow's deal with the Dodgers. If he can stay healthy, it's up near Cole. People can say what they want, but the market states pretty clearly was Garrett Crochet is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, DFAthewave69420 said: From Bob They have spoken about Bohm and outfield prospect Justin Crawford in extensive trade talks with the Chicago White Sox for starter Garrett Crochet, but the White Sox are concerned with Bohm’s struggles the second half, posting a .681 OPS with just four home runs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/11/25/mlb-rumors-juan-soto-latest-news-trade-market/76556552007/ Even after a 121 loss season, Chris Getz is looking at taking short cuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 (edited) 59 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Maybe the Sox are getting a better prospect package if they take him off their hands? Since when do trades work like that? Maybe if they had huge bloated contracts and were bad players. But Bohm and Lux are both worth their salaries so it’s not like they have negative trade value. Bohm is projected to receive $8.1 million via arbitration for 2025, which isn’t bad for a 3 WAR player last year. Lux is projected to receive $2.7 million for 2025 and he was a 2.1 WAR player last year. So they aren’t bad players, but what does Getz think 4 to 5 more wins is doing for this team in 2025 and 2026? And you would be losing Crochet and/or Robert’s WAR/production, which could be a net loss. Either guy included in a Crochet or Robert trade isn’t going to increase the prospect returns. It will decrease them. Edited November 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Since when do trades work like that? Maybe if they had huge bloated contracts and were bad players. But Bohm and Lux are both worth their salaries so it’s not like they have negative trade value. Bohm is projected to receive $8.1 million via arbitration for 2025, which isn’t bad for a 3 WAR player last year. Lux is projected to receive $2.7 million for 2025 and he was a 2.1 WAR player last year. So they aren’t bad players, but what does Getz think 4 to 5 more wins is doing for this team in 2025 and 2026? Either guy included in a Crochet or Robert trade isn’t going to increase the prospect returns. It will decrease them. If I had to bet? This is part of moving money around to get Benintendi into the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'm more concerned with Bohm's controllable seasons. Just doesn't make sense for a timeline fit, Agreed. Makes no sense. Bohm does nothing for a rebuilding team and we have like 3-4 3B and no true SS. Crawford would be a fun replacement for Robert in CF, but replace Bohm with another big piece. Miller (Law thinks he will stick at SS) and Crawford would do it, but PHI won't include both. Edited November 25 by SoCalChiSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Getz has already pulled off 1 (bad) 3 team trade…Crawford + flipping Bohm to a 3rd team for another 2 good prospects sounds like a fairly ideal scenario. Just not sure what Bohm’s value is and what those 2 prospects would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Sox would flip Bohm, IMO, for prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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