southsider2k5 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 13 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. Out of the three prospects you mentioned today they are: now the #5 overall prospect (Jobe), a 24-year old that has been inconsistent but already has a 30-plus homer season and still three more years of control (Torkelson), and a good-glove backup catcher with upside and 5 more years of control (Dingler). As of today, Jobe alone makes that trade a win, even if Tork never figures it out. You're trading a guy with only two more years on your team that just lost almost every game in the season. You can't look at this like a snapshot -- taking things one year at a time is exactly why the White Sox have delivered you exactly one flukey championship in the last 100 years. I mean, are you suggesting Mayo and Holliday are busts? Neither of them even has HALF a season under their belts. Coby Mayo is 22 years old dude. You know who else was sub replacement at 22? Paul Konerko. Jackson Holliday is TWENTY. Look, if Baltimore came to the Sox and was willing to start a deal with Jackson Holliday for Crochet, it would probably be the leader in the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Red Sox may be the best fit unless Abreu is the headliner.. Agree. Abreu had a very good year but he is still adjusting to hitting lefties. He cannot be the headliner. Abreu may be great in the future but right now the White Sox need a player who can offset, to some degree, if we are trading a potential number top 5-10 starter. Some team, desperate for an ace, will trade a headliner to offset Crochet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago To me, the pitching roadmap for us is pretty straightforward. First, you trade Crochet for much needed positional talent. Then you go with something like this for your opening day rotation. Davis Martin Drew Thorpe Sean Burke Jonathan Cannon Ky Bush* vs. Nastrini vs. Adams At some point during the season, Schultz will likely be ready for a spot. He takes over for the weak link whenever that is. Iriarte and the other guys who lost out on the #5 role can also reclaim a spot if they dominant in Charlotte. More or less, you are looking at nine semi-interesting guys to fill about five spots. I feel pretty good that we come away with a future ace in Schultz (if healthy), at least one mid-rotation starter, and several BOR types. From there, you really are just buying time until Smith & Taylor are ready for the big leagues. Smith should be ready by Y26, while Taylor may need a bit more time before he arrives. There are a lot more arms coming, but almost all of them are MOR / BOR types. Regardless, they provide important depth in the event some of the guys mentioned above get hurt or flame out. And hopefully they allow you to trade some of the proven backend types for other needs. As such, the top of your future rotation likely is built around Schultz, Smith, & Taylor. If one of those guys flop or gets injured (which is probable), we should have plenty of money to sign a short mercenary deal with a free agent SP. The rest of the rotation should be solid to good depending which guys emerge, but realistically Thorpe & Cannon already look like legit major league starters. The key point here is there is a path forward with the rotation. Trying to do this with our positional group requires basically every prospect of note to be a hit, Wolkow becoming a star, and some off the radar prospects emerging. It simply won’t happen. But if we can get two quality positional prospects for Crochet, the roadmap to building a competent lineup becomes much clearer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 11 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: By dumb luck really. A guy like Chris Sale who’s too good to f*** up comes along. It’s hard to consider Sale and Crochet development wins for the minors. They developed at the major league level because their talent was just that great 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: To me, the pitching roadmap for us is pretty straightforward. First, you trade Crochet for much needed positional talent. Then you go with something like this for your opening day rotation. Davis Martin Drew Thorpe Sean Burke Jonathan Cannon Ky Bush* vs. Nastrini vs. Adams At some point during the season, Schultz will likely be ready for a spot. He takes over for the weak link whenever that is. Iriarte and the other guys who lost out on the #5 role can also reclaim a spot if they dominant in Charlotte. More or less, you are looking at nine semi-interesting guys to fill about five spots. I feel pretty good that we come away with a future ace in Schultz (if healthy), at least one mid-rotation starter, and several BOR types. From there, you really are just buying time until Smith & Taylor are ready for the big leagues. Smith should be ready by Y26, while Taylor may need a bit more time before he arrives. There are a lot more arms coming, but almost all of them are MOR / BOR types. Regardless, they provide important depth in the event some of the guys mentioned above get hurt or flame out. And hopefully they allow you to trade some of the proven backend types for other needs. As such, the top of your future rotation likely is built around Schultz, Smith, & Taylor. If one of those guys flop or gets injured (which is probable), we should have plenty of money to sign a short mercenary deal with a free agent SP. The rest of the rotation should be solid to good depending which guys emerge, but realistically Thorpe & Cannon already look like legit major league starters. The key point here is there is a path forward with the rotation. Trying to do this with our positional group requires basically every prospect of note to be a hit, Wolkow becoming a star, and some off the radar prospects emerging. It simply won’t happen. But if we can get two quality positional prospects for Crochet, the roadmap to building a competent lineup becomes much clearer. This is so bleak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, hi8is said: This is so bleak It’s what happens when your organization can’t draft or develop position players at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Look, if Baltimore came to the Sox and was willing to start a deal with Jackson Holliday for Crochet, it would probably be the leader in the clubhouse. Thankfully I don’t think they will and I’m grateful for that. Crochet for Holliday straight up would be a bad trade for the Sox imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago A team has 14 starting slots to fill - 9 offensive players, and 5 rotational starters. A contending team has to at least get close to that 14. Maybe they can carry a light-hitting 2B, or do 5th starter by committee. Effective platoons certainly help. The 2004 White Sox started out with about 8 of those set - Konerko, Uribe, Crede, Lee, Rowand, Buehrle, Garland and Thomas/Everett. They added Garcia and Contreras at the TDL, and swapped out Podsednik for Lee in the offseason. Then, they added Pierzynski, Iguchi and Dye. That's 13 of 14 starting slots they had filled with legitimate major leaguers. (Argue about Pods and Uribe, if you want) This team starts out with Crochet, Robert, ... maybe a healthy Benintendi.... Cannon & Thorpe? 4-5 legitimate major league starters. Signing and keeping Crochet doesn't get you any closer to that 14, especially when you have 3 studs coming along, any one of which could replace his production among those 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Thankfully I don’t think they will and I’m grateful for that. Crochet for Holliday straight up would be a bad trade for the Sox imo. I said START A DEAL, but OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Thankfully I don’t think they will and I’m grateful for that. Crochet for Holliday straight up would be a bad trade for the Sox imo. How would that be a bad deal for the Sox? By the way.. The Orioles would say no, rather easily. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: How would that be a bad deal for the Sox? By the way.. The Orioles would say no, rather easily. BeCaUsE hE dIdN't Do WeLl HiS fIrSt CaLlUp As A 20 YeAr OlD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 13 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: How would that be a bad deal for the Sox? By the way.. The Orioles would say no, rather easily. Yep. If Getz had a shot at a franchise player, a new young face for his crappy team, he would jump at it in a second. Especially for a pitcher with two years of control that everyone and their grandmother knows that Jerry won’t pay for. The Orioles wouldn’t even make the offer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted 41 minutes ago Share Posted 41 minutes ago 35 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. If Getz had a shot at a franchise player, a new young face for his crappy team, he would jump at it in a second. Especially for a pitcher with two years of control that everyone and their grandmother knows that Jerry won’t pay for. The Orioles wouldn’t even make the offer. Yeah silly for people to think the Sox would say no when in reality the Orioles laugh at you and hang up the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted 20 minutes ago Share Posted 20 minutes ago On 11/7/2024 at 5:18 PM, Balta1701 said: If the White Sox have decided that they are dumping Robert, I can't say I'd be furious. I fully believe they have completely screwed up his mindset and work ethic, and if they don't believe their coaches can fix it, they will be right. Taking "Whatever the best you can get" is for Robert, at this point, I can follow that. However, if the best you can get is a guy who is already in arbitration, yeah just hold him. At least give me one of Getz'z A-ball specials that the Getzlyfans can oggle for a few years until they're out of the sport. Better chance of being useful. 🤣 Getz + OnlyFans = Getzlyfans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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