Potential Crochet Trade discussion Thread

[steveno89]

13 minutes ago, KennyPowers said:

Thoughts on packaging both to the Red Sox?

Red Sox get: Crochett & Robert

White Sox get: Campbell, Montgomery & Abreu

 

 

My understanding is that the Red Sox are unwilling to part with Duran, Anthony and Campbell at this time

[Balta1701]

35 minutes ago, Flash said:

Extend Crochet. In couple years w/Smith, Scultz, Thorpe fastest route to relevance. Trade Robert for prospects.

 

Who is trading solid pieces for Luis Robert right now?

[GreenSox]

11 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Who is trading solid pieces for Luis Robert right now?

Well, the Guardians got back something for Gimenez and his .638 OPS; and he had a $100 mill contractual liability attached and has had really 1 good season on offense out of 5 (2 partial seasons).  Now they didn't get top prospects or anything, but they got some pieces.   

[Bob Sacamano]

7 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Well, the Guardians got back something for Gimenez and his .638 OPS; and he had a $100 mill contractual liability attached and has had really 1 good season on offense out of 5 (2 partial seasons).  Now they didn't get top prospects or anything, but they got some pieces.   

Most of us here don't want "some pieces."

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Well, the Guardians got back something for Gimenez and his .638 OPS; and he had a $100 mill contractual liability attached and has had really 1 good season on offense out of 5 (2 partial seasons).  Now they didn't get top prospects or anything, but they got some pieces.   

Which means in comparison the Sox should do better than “some pieces” for Crochet.

[Balta1701]

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Well, the Guardians got back something for Gimenez and his .638 OPS; and he had a $100 mill contractual liability attached and has had really 1 good season on offense out of 5 (2 partial seasons).  Now they didn't get top prospects or anything, but they got some pieces.   

 

7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Most of us here don't want "some pieces."

I think "Some pieces" is a fair return for Robert right now, but that doesn't change the mess the White Sox are in, particularly if they have a $75 million payroll limit for the near future.

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

 

I think "Some pieces" is a fair return for Robert right now, but that doesn't change the mess the White Sox are in, particularly if they have a $75 million payroll limit for the near future.

Yeah that doesn't help the offense much

[steveno89]

22 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Who is trading solid pieces for Luis Robert right now?

As much as I am sure the organization would like to move on from Robert, keeping him and hoping he can stay healthy and rebuild value in the first half seems to be the best choice vs. taking a substandard return this offseason. 

If he can look anything like his 2023 form, he will have nice value at the deadline with two fairly reasonable $20 million club options

[TheFutureIsNear]

11 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Well, the Guardians got back something for Gimenez and his .638 OPS; and he had a $100 mill contractual liability attached and has had really 1 good season on offense out of 5 (2 partial seasons).  Now they didn't get top prospects or anything, but they got some pieces.   

The only reason to trade Robert for anything less than a great package of prospects is because Jerry is a cheap a-hole.
Hold him and hope for a turnaround, his stock can’t possibly go lower anyway. 

[Balta1701]

8 minutes ago, steveno89 said:

As much as I am sure the organization would like to move on from Robert, keeping him and hoping he can stay healthy and rebuild value in the first half seems to be the best choice vs. taking a substandard return this offseason. 

If he can look anything like his 2023 form, he will have nice value at the deadline with two fairly reasonable $20 million club options

While I understand this, I've also reached a spot where if they decide to move on from him, I won't be outraged. He won't return much, he won't return anything near what he's worth if he's healthy. However, I think he has developed several serious issues with coaching and health, I think he is nearly uncoachable right now at least for the people in this organization. If the organization has decided based on last year that they can't coach him, then is he likely to have a better season this year? The likely end result would be him released for nothing at the end of the year by having an option declined.

In that case, you might as well take something for him as opposed to nothing.

For Cease, there was a clear backup plan if offers sucked - hold him to the trade deadline. For Crochet, there is a clear backup plan if the offers suck - hold him to the trade deadline. Selling low on either of those guys was and would be dumb because there's a backup plan. If Robert's offers are "some pieces", and the White Sox think they can't coach him, then there's no backup plan better than "Some pieces".

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

15 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

The only reason to trade Robert for anything less than a great package of prospects is because Jerry is a cheap a-hole.
Hold him and hope for a turnaround, his stock can’t possibly go lower anyway. 

Yes it can

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

44 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

 

 

It really depends on how one defines three of their top prospects and the team involved. 3 of the Mets or Reds top 5 prospects seems fair but obviously wouldn’t be fair if it’s the Red Sox or Cubs instead.

[GreenSox]

31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Which means in comparison the Sox should do better than “some pieces” for Crochet.

Of course not, but the discussion was about  Robert who, like Gimenez, is coming off of a terrible year, could be traded.  At least Robert is who I was referring to.  And I'd prefer to hold onto him anyway.  

[PaleAleSox]

12 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

It really depends on how one defines three of their top prospects and the team involved. 3 of the Mets or Reds top 5 prospects seems fair but obviously wouldn’t be fair if it’s the Red Sox or Cubs instead.

Yeah, if there really are 12 teams talking, at least one of them will pull the trigger on the various asking prices.

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Of course not, but the discussion was about  Robert who, like Gimenez, is coming off of a terrible year, could be traded.  At least Robert is who I was referring to.  And I'd prefer to hold onto him anyway.  

Yep, I missed the post you were responding to.  I agree with you then with Robert just getting some pieces now, as well as just keeping him until the deadline instead so he can recoup his value.  But I don’t think either Jerry or Getz agree with us.

[Whisox05]

 

 

[Balta1701]

5 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

 

 

This may be the most mind-breaking concept I have ever seen presented at Soxtalk. 

[steveno89]

6 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

 

 

It is an interesting idea, but beyond Salas and de Vries the Padres system thins out quickly. I just do not see a current match that makes sense, even with potential Cease return. 

 

[GreenSox]

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yep, I missed the post you were responding to.  I agree with you then with Robert just getting some pieces now, as well as just keeping him until the deadline instead so he can recoup his value.  But I don’t think either Jerry or Getz agree with us.

Yea, if his OPS reverts back to .850, his 3/$60 salary going forward (with the team holding the options on it) looks good and he'll have 3x the value at the deadline that he has now.  The Phillies, for one,  have a CF who can't hit.

[steveno89]

6 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Yea, if his OPS reverts back to .850, his 3/$60 salary going forward (with the team holding the options on it) looks good and he'll have 3x the value at the deadline that he has now.  The Phillies, for one,  have a CF who can't hit.

If I were a contending club in need of an OF I would monitor Robert's market for sure 

Is he risky? Absolutely, but there is also potential reward as a chance of scenery candidate that was great as recently as the 2023 season. The option years are not too expensive if he stays healthy either, reducing the risk a bit. 

 

[almagest]

24 minutes ago, Whisox05 said:

 

 

I would like to keep trading Dylan Cease every year, yes absolutely.

[Rey21]

1 hour ago, Whisox05 said:

 

 

Good they should hold firm, Crochet with limited history put up elite numbers, with 2 years remaining I personally do not care about other teams complaining about it being too expensive, a contending team gets him for 2 full seasons of playoff runs, if they don't wanna pay the price, so be it 

[WhiteSox2023]

 

[JoeC]

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

 

If it leads to more fun-filled trade threads involving Orioles fans, I'm all for it.

[HoosierSox]

Would you rather have 1 year of Cease or 2 of Crochet?