Potential Crochet Trade discussion Thread

[caulfield12]

4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I think Benintendi has some left in the tank.  The bat was solid June on, and was actually quite good in August and September.  He also looked more athletic in the field as the season went on; its obvious he really wasn't healthy in 23 and early 24.  He's overpaid without a doubt, but most FAs are, and I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility he could be positive WAR player the rest of his contract.  

I personally would just keep him.  He's a good first half away from being tradable.  Attaching him to Crochet is insanity and I refuse to believe its something they're actually considering.  They'll be a bottom 5 payroll in the league even with Beni, and badly need to maximize talent infusion. 

Why would his wrist injury make him one of the worst outfielders in baseball the last two years?

On a White Sox team soon to be without Robert...you're really expecting 2-3 fWAR seasons again despite his defense only being slightly better than the likes of Vaughn and Jimenez out there.  He has routinely been run on probably as much as any LFer in the majors.

We keep forgetting corner outfielders are expected to hit 30-35 homers if offense is their only tool.

[ChiSox59]

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Why would his wrist injury make him one of the worst outfielders in baseball the last two years?

On a White Sox team soon to be without Robert...you're really expecting 2-3 fWAR seasons again despite his defense only being slightly better than the likes of Vaughn and Jimenez out there.  He has routinely been run on probably as much as any LFer in the majors.

We keep forgetting corner outfielders are expected to hit 30-35 homers if offense is their only tool.

He's also dealt with achilles issues, which certainly would impact mobility and athleticism in the OF.  Sounds like he played through it April/May before hitting the IL in early June with it.  

Not really defending his OF defense, its been mostly terrible.  It routinely look like he wasn't even trying out there.  He did look noticeably better out there towards the end of 24 though.  

Where did I say he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player?  I said "its not beyond the realm of possibility he will be a positive WAR player..".  As in like the 0.5-1 WAR range. 

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[Bob Sacamano]

27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sure, but he'd would also be in line for MUCH bigger arb salaries, plus a lot less question marks heading towards free agency which could move him from a Tyler Glasnow type deal, to a Garrett Cole type deal.

Idk I think I’d rather hit free agency sooner and not deal with minor league travel.

[Bob Sacamano]

43 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I think Benintendi has some left in the tank.  The bat was solid June on, and was actually quite good in August and September.  He also looked more athletic in the field as the season went on; its obvious he really wasn't healthy in 23 and early 24.  He's overpaid without a doubt, but most FAs are, and I don't think its beyond the realm of possibility he could be positive WAR player the rest of his contract.  

I personally would just keep him.  He's a good first half away from being tradable.  Attaching him to Crochet is insanity and I refuse to believe its something they're actually considering.  They'll be a bottom 5 payroll in the league even with Beni, and badly need to maximize talent infusion. 

I wouldn’t do it either but until Crochet is traded without him, the possibility exists.

[southsider2k5]

40 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Idk I think I’d rather hit free agency sooner and not deal with minor league travel.

This could cost him a hundred million dollars, or more.  Is it worth hitting free agency sooner if you take a haircut on your earnings because your employer wasted years of your career in the pen because they didn't want to spend on a reliever.

[WestEddy]

3 hours ago, michelangelosmonkey said:

Pasquantino is not much better than Vaughn.  Vaughn had .750 OPS the previous two years P had .760...and I'm not really counting on Vaughn as more than a failed prospect.  I said they should sign a big contract on a hitter. So Alonso + Vaughn is as good as Salvy + P and I think Montgomery, Quero and Soso could be better than the Royals 4-5-6 bats.

As for "we will never do this"...it's a new era.  There is a ton of payroll available.   Getz seems in charge.  He drafted Smith...the idea of three amazing left handed starters is fun.   

KC made the playoffs by being gifted a 12-1 record against the White Sox. I don't disagree with your argument as vociferously as the mods, here, but KC shouldn't have made the playoffs this year. If the White Sox were even a AAAA team, Seattle gets KC's slot. 

Yes, the White Sox have the makings of a hum-drum pitching rotation. Cannon, Martin and Thorpe are easily #4s on any competitive team. Yes, they have Schultz, Smith and Taylor. They're not here, yet. Burke might even be a nice #3 if he's firing on all cylinders. 

Great, big, positive me expects next year's bullpen to be a slightly better version of last year's. Some home grown guys will make it cheaper. Wilson, Leasure, Ellard and Berroa have a rough season under their belts, and there's a few nice, minor league arms who can step up and be Justin Anderson for a season. Yes, I mean Justin Anderson, and not in a good way. 

I would also expect some focus on offense to result in some gains. Sosa, Vaughn (if he stays), Benintendi, Fletcher and Ramos can't really get worse. I wouldn't bet on Quero or Monty having anything more than a bumpy year getting their feet wet when they get promoted. 

A Crochet trade would probably be maxed out by taking prospects that are further away. Nobody's trading their top 10 in the game, AAA CF for Crochet. You might get that guy who smacks the s%*# out of it in A+, though. 

I always think this team isn't all that far away as the glum, here, think, but they're not getting 50 games better in one off-season. 

[SCCWS]

2 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

Those prospects are not table scraps.  Abreu is pretty damn good and would solve the RF issue.  Then a combination of Campbell/Montgomery, Saltiban and an A ball flier would be great. 

Abreu was  solid last year but only against RH pitching. He really struggled against lefties and was eventually sitting against left handed pitching. Now Abreu is young, hit well, good base runner and he has a solid RF arm. But it is a little scary that he is the best player on our side  in case he keeps struggling against lefties. Maybe he just needs time to adjust to LH pitching but it is cause for thought. 

[almagest]

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

He's also dealt with achilles issues, which certainly would impact mobility and athleticism in the OF.  Sounds like he played through it April/May before hitting the IL in early June with it.  

Not really defending his OF defense, its been mostly terrible.  It routinely look like he wasn't even trying out there.  He did look noticeably better out there towards the end of 24 though.  

Where did I say he's going to be a 2-3 WAR player?  I said "its not beyond the realm of possibility he will be a positive WAR player..".  As in like the 0.5-1 WAR range. 

.850 OPS over the last month of the season. I'd keep him as well and bet on a solid first half to make him tradable for at least a lotto ticket, assuming the Sox don't pay his salary. It's not like they have some stud LF blocked in the minors.

[fathom]

Sounds from reports like Boston is in on Crochet big time.  

[PaleAleSox]

17 minutes ago, almagest said:

.850 OPS over the last month of the season. I'd keep him as well and bet on a solid first half to make him tradable for at least a lotto ticket, assuming the Sox don't pay his salary. It's not like they have some stud LF blocked in the minors.

Yeah I think you keep him in left and hope you can move him at the deadline, or worst case next offseason.  He was an actual guy the last few months. 

[southsider2k5]

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sounds from reports like Boston is in on Crochet big time.  

That report was unreal in the amount of detail it had in it.

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

12 minutes ago, fathom said:

Sounds from reports like Boston is in on Crochet big time.  

Can we get Mayer or Campbell?

[fathom]

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

That report was unreal in the amount of detail it had in it.

I saw one where a Boston writer said the WSox were heavily scouting the Red Sox at end of last year, but that Anthony is off limits.

[PaleAleSox]

Red Sox trying to get it done before Winter Meetings?