Roki Sasaki Free Agency (split off from Crochet thread)

[Timmy U]

The Dodgers likely knew this was coming as they have $2.5 mil in unspent international money, but the Sox also have a fairly large chunk. Maybe they can trade it to the Dodgers like they did in the Aldrin Batista deal. Or maybe they package Crochet and the cash and get like 4 players back.  I think Sasaki wants to ba a Dodger. Might as well get something for that slot money.

[Johno]

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?   He’s a 22 year old top pitching prospect, isn’t that exactly who this team should target?   Land a player like this and trade Crochett for a couple top prospects , and i start feeling much better about this team.

[Chimpton]

3 minutes ago, Johno said:

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?   He’s a 22 year old top pitching prospect, isn’t that exactly who this team should target?   Land a player like this and trade Crochett for a couple top prospects , and i start feeling much better about this team.

Yes, Jerry Reinsdorf.

[Quin]

Sasaki is coming to the majors early and missing a giant payday because of it.

That means the Sox would have to convince him that they're a better team to sign with than the other 29 on merit alone.

It ain't happening.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

18 minutes ago, Johno said:

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?   He’s a 22 year old top pitching prospect, isn’t that exactly who this team should target?   Land a player like this and trade Crochett for a couple top prospects , and i start feeling much better about this team.

They planing on chloroforming the kid and locking him in a room until he signs a contract? He has zero benefit choosing to come to the Sox when he can become an immediate piece on a contender. Going to a contender is the only thing he can choose after missing out on a payday.

[southsider2k5]

21 minutes ago, Johno said:

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?   He’s a 22 year old top pitching prospect, isn’t that exactly who this team should target?   Land a player like this and trade Crochett for a couple top prospects , and i start feeling much better about this team.

#1 No reason for him to want to come here.

#2 Not enough Yen even if would come.

[hi8is]

22 minutes ago, Johno said:

 

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?

 

I believe the word you’re looking for is futile.

[Quin]

When the money is even and the top dog needs pitching:

 

 

[Balta1701]

35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

#1 No reason for him to want to come here.

#2 Not enough Yen even if would come.

If I’ve read this correct if he waits to be posted until after December 15, then he will be in the 2025 signing pools, which haven’t been spent yet. The White Sox are 1 of 12 teams with a $6.2 million pool for 2025, the Dodgers are one of 2 teams with only a $5.2 million pool, and about 10 more teams have $6.9-$7.3 million pools to spend. 

if he’s dead set on LAD he can get posted and sign there for their 2024 pool, but if he waits until December 15 it could be a few million more.

Money isn’t a big issue here, not as much as where he’d want to go.

[almagest]

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

As opposed to being mad enough that people are mad after the worst season in MLB history that they need to gatekeep what everyone is allowed to be mad about.  Speaking of inventing things.. 

Why does it bother you so much that I call out ridiculous conspiracy theories and laugh at them?

On second thought, I know the answer.

Edited Saturday at 10:17 PM by almagest

[joejoesox]

edit: looks like he can sign for a teams max IFA allotment which is around 7.5m Edited Saturday at 10:59 PM by joejoesox

[Snopek]

4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

As opposed to being mad enough that people are mad after the worst season in MLB history that they need to gatekeep what everyone is allowed to be mad about.  Speaking of inventing things.. 

Using the 121 loss season as an excuse to be mad about things that never happened seems a bit disingenuous.

[caulfield12]

The 2024 international bonus pool period does not end until December 15. Currently, the Los Angeles Dodgers and Baltimore Orioles have the most money available, but that does not mean other teams cannot trade assets to acquire more money from other teams. And if the posting process isn't completed by December 15, Sasaki would be signed as a part of the 2025 class, meaning every team would have its maximum allotment of money to spend.

 

1. LAD 

2. Mets Cohen

3. Cubs  Imanaga/Suzuki, not so much Fukudome

"The Chicago Cubs recently sent president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer to Japan on a scouting trip to show Sasaki's camp that they mean business. And why wouldn't they? Chicago wants a rotation upgrade but doesn't want to spend for Burnes, Max Fried or Blake Snell, and Sasaki fits the bill perfectly. Plus, the team's recent success with Japanese players including Shota Imanaga and Seiya Suzuki will likely help their case with Sasaki."

4. Orioles, desperately need an ace to replace Burnes, most money in current signing period avail

5. Padres  SoCal and Darvish, lost Musgrove to TJS

 

White Sox can't even afford the airfare to send a contingent to Japan...

Edited Saturday at 11:21 PM by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

"That is massive.

Not only is he someone scouts and evaluators consider to be one of the best pitching talents in the world, but he's also a player who has been on the Cubs' radar for a long time with him being someone they might have scouted more than any team in the MLB."

https://www.si.com/mlb/cubs/news/roki-sasaki-will-officially-be-posted-chicago-cubs-could-become-top-suitor

Cubs already out on Soto/Burnes...

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, Johno said:

is there any reason why this team should not take a run at Sasaki?   He’s a 22 year old top pitching prospect, isn’t that exactly who this team should target?   Land a player like this and trade Crochett for a couple top prospects , and i start feeling much better about this team.

Yes, it is.  But Jerry…

You will get a Crochet trade but they won’t be acquiring any pitcher that could be just as good.

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, almagest said:

Why does it bother you so much that I call out ridiculous conspiracy theories and laugh at them?

On second thought, I know the answer.

Why does it bother you so much that people are pissed off after the worst season in MLB history?  Oh right.

[almagest]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does it bother you so much that people are pissed off after the worst season in MLB history?  Oh right.

It doesn’t. Like I said, there’s plenty to be bothered by without making up ridiculous conspiracy theories.

[Y2Jimmy0]

14 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The 2024 international bonus pool period does not end until December 15. Currently, the Los Angeles Dodgers and Baltimore Orioles have the most money available, but that does not mean other teams cannot trade assets to acquire more money from other teams. And if the posting process isn't completed by December 15, Sasaki would be signed as a part of the 2025 class, meaning every team would have its maximum allotment of money to spend.

 

1. LAD 

2. Mets Cohen

3. Cubs  Imanaga/Suzuki, not so much Fukudome

"The Chicago Cubs recently sent president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer to Japan on a scouting trip to show Sasaki's camp that they mean business. And why wouldn't they? Chicago wants a rotation upgrade but doesn't want to spend for Burnes, Max Fried or Blake Snell, and Sasaki fits the bill perfectly. Plus, the team's recent success with Japanese players including Shota Imanaga and Seiya Suzuki will likely help their case with Sasaki."

4. Orioles, desperately need an ace to replace Burnes, most money in current signing period avail

5. Padres  SoCal and Darvish, lost Musgrove to TJS

 

White Sox can't even afford the airfare to send a contingent to Japan...

Teams bonus pools are technically clear starting in January but everyone has millions of dollars worth of committed money already. Best case scenario for the White Sox is that Sasaki gets cleared prior to 12/15 so that the Dodgers can sign him in current period. White Sox could then trade their remaining space for a prospect. 

[Falstaff]

13 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does it bother you so much that people are pissed off after the worst season in MLB history?  Oh right.

 

I have selective amnesia about the 2024 season which could be mistaken for Alzheimer's by some.  To be totally honest I have an optimistic view of the Sox, JR aside. 

Any Sox fan that wants to gripe about the team has carte blanche. The fact that they are posting here shows that they are still fans. Fans pointing out faults are better than fans overtaken with apathy. 

 

[Balta1701]

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Teams bonus pools are technically clear starting in January but everyone has millions of dollars worth of committed money already. Best case scenario for the White Sox is that Sasaki gets cleared prior to 12/15 so that the Dodgers can sign him in current period. White Sox could then trade their remaining space for a prospect. 

It is utterly hilarious that someone could write this is the best case scenario for the white sox without realizing that it is an enormous insult to the White Sox

”The best case scenario is they might get something out of this because they’re so pathetic no player would ever consider them even when they are on an even financial footing with other teams. Ignore everything I said about the quality of staff and people they brought in, I was just making sure they liked me.”

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

It is utterly hilarious that someone could write this is the best case scenario for the white sox without realizing that it is an enormous insult to the White Sox

”The best case scenario is they might get something out of this because they’re so pathetic no player would ever consider them even when they are on an even financial footing with other teams. Ignore everything I said about the quality of staff and people they brought in, I was just making sure they liked me.”

The funny think is I bet the Sox have one of the largest unused pools for next year, like usual, and probably could be a leading bidder, but i doesn't matter at all.

[WestEddy]

From an AP article on remain pool money - 11/9:

https://apnews.com/sports/mlb-2024-remaining-international-signing-bonus-allotment-list-5de31a9831cd49ca46077cf98d031890

[caulfield12]

52 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

From an AP article on remain pool money - 11/9:

https://apnews.com/sports/mlb-2024-remaining-international-signing-bonus-allotment-list-5de31a9831cd49ca46077cf98d031890

The Dodgers will figure out yet another way to be creative like they did with Ohtani...since they've already had at least a year to plan for exactly this scenario.

If not immediately to LAD...then it's an interesting battle in the next signing period between 5-7 teams that can AL lake legitimate cases for him being the one player to push them over into WS contenders.

 

The White Sox likely end up with another teams' "suspects" at the pre-A level who are 3-5 years away from the big leagues in order to pay for Jimenez Hendriks Grifol.

Edited Sunday at 07:16 PM by caulfield12

[champagne030]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

The funny think is I bet the Sox have one of the largest unused pools for next year, like usual, and probably could be a leading bidder, but i doesn't matter at all.

You forgot Getz signed two 1B/DH types for 40% of their budget (who sucked and are not crazy young for the DSL).  Jerry will sell the remaining allotment for cash in his pocket.

[WestEddy]

48 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The Dodgers will figure out yet another way to be creative like they did with Ohtani...since they've already had at least a year to plan for exactly this scenario.

If not immediately to LAD...then it's an interesting battle in the next signing period between 5-7 teams that can AL lake legitimate cases for him being the one player to push them over into WS contenders.

 

The White Sox likely end up with another teams' "suspects" at the pre-A level who are 3-5 years away from the big leagues in order to pay for Jimenez Hendriks Grifol.

If Sasaki becomes available under the 2024 period, the Sox would have to make multiple trades to for slot space to get to a competitive number. The biggest problem with Marco Paddy's folly is that we don't have a bunch of Aldrin Batistas we could trade and not miss.