Roki Sasaki Free Agency - White Sox have a presentation

[Dick Allen]

20 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

The public flaming and ridicule they've been receiving is well earned and deserved (which I said). That doesn't mean they still shouldn't try to sign him, regardless of how unlikely it is. My point was they're going to be dragged either way, for which they only have themselves to blame.

Of course they should try to sign him, but they are the reason they have no chance. They have to change the narrative. How they do that with JR writing the checks, and Chris Getz picking the talent, I have no idea. Most liked the Crochet trade, but they also liked the Sale trade, the Eaton trade, the Quintana trade, and what happened to those can’t miss stars even after exposure to the great Chris Getz development program? They deserve skepticism with every move they make. The proof is in their record.

[Bob Sacamano]

Not really mocking them for trying. They absolutely should be trying. I think the mocking is more about their chances.

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Not really mocking them for trying. They absolutely should be trying. I think the mocking is more about their chances.

This here.

[southsider2k5]

10 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

 

I don't disagree with either of you, the mocking is well earned/deserved. Just pointing out we'd also torch them for not trying too. 

It is Step 1 towards changing the narrative, but eventually they have to be serious and convert.

[poppysox]

3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Of course they should try to sign him, but they are the reason they have no chance. They have to change the narrative. How they do that with JR writing the checks, and Chris Getz picking the talent, I have no idea. Most liked the Crochet trade, but they also liked the Sale trade, the Eaton trade, the Quintana trade, and what happened to those can’t miss stars even after exposure to the great Chris Getz development program? They deserve skepticism with every move they make. The proof is in their record.

There's not much point in being a fan if we think everything they do is bound to fail.  

[Dick Allen]

39 minutes ago, poppysox said:

There's not much point in being a fan if we think everything they do is bound to fail.  

They need to change some things. I really find it funny some have blind faith in Chris Getz. Usually someone has something on his resume you could look at and conclude he knows what he is doing. But considering his previous roles and the current state of the team, I think it's pretty certain, he is in over his head. I was an at least it's not Hahn anymore guy. And it isn't Getz fault he is the GM.

It is no fun being a fan. And I really truly hope I am so wrong and the Getz lovers are so right. I would much rather watch them win than lose. But to me, it's fairly obvious how this is going.

 

 

 

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, poppysox said:

There's not much point in being a fan if we think everything they do is bound to fail.  

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[PaleAleSox]

17 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

They need to change some things. I really find it funny some have blind faith in Chris Getz. Usually someone has something on his resume you could look at and conclude he knows what he is doing. But considering his previous roles and the current state of the team, I think it's pretty certain, he is in over his head. I was an at least it's not Hahn anymore guy. And it isn't Getz fault he is the GM.

It is no fun being a fan. And I really truly hope I am so wrong and the Getz lovers are so right. I would much rather watch them win than lose. But to me, it's fairly obvious how this is going.

 

 

 

You can not have faith in him, that's fine. But he is very much doing your first sentence. 

[2Deep]

4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

You can not have faith in him, that's fine. But he is very much doing your first sentence. 

Pale, as fans we have been beat up and lied to so many times that it's hard to have faith in anyone or anything with this organization.  It seems that Getz is "Changing things" but I will believe it when i see results.  No more benefit of doubt with anything this organization does

[TaylorStSox]

33 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

They need to change some things. I really find it funny some have blind faith in Chris Getz. Usually someone has something on his resume you could look at and conclude he knows what he is doing. But considering his previous roles and the current state of the team, I think it's pretty certain, he is in over his head. I was an at least it's not Hahn anymore guy. And it isn't Getz fault he is the GM.

It is no fun being a fan. And I really truly hope I am so wrong and the Getz lovers are so right. I would much rather watch them win than lose. But to me, it's fairly obvious how this is going.

 

 

 

I don't think anybody has blind faith in Getz. The reality is that he's the GM and nothing is going to change that. Some of us would rather support him and hope he does well rather than spend all our time being negative. 

[Balta1701]

7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

I don't think anybody has blind faith in Getz. The reality is that he's the GM and nothing is going to change that. Some of us would rather support him and hope he does well rather than spend all our time being negative. 

I think "blind faith in Getz" is an apt description of at least a few posters here. I don't think they'd get piled on as much if they were saying they'd like to support him and hope he does well rather than saying what a great job he's done already and getting angry when people call out things like his moves over the last year.

[Quin]

12 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

I don't think anybody has blind faith in Getz. The reality is that he's the GM and nothing is going to change that. Some of us would rather support him and hope he does well rather than spend all our time being negative. 

I was an eternal optimist until the Sox decided to forgo a search for the most consequential role in the org and hire a guy who had already failed internally.

He is doing things differently. But if he was so apparently hamstrung in his previous role, what did he do to deserve this? He proved nothing. It also means he had to be whispering in Jerry's ear prior to KW/Hahn being fired, which is just...gross. 

He failed at his year one goal of creating a fundamentally sound, aesthetically pleasing team and retroactively declared that it was the plan all along to suck.

He seems to be learning in year two that his bravado in year one was real fucking stupid. If they lose 100+ again without any major showings in the minors (I'm talking championship contention at every level) he should be fired, along with his staff. They won't be, but it's what they'd deserve.

[TaylorStSox]

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I think "blind faith in Getz" is an apt description of at least a few posters here. I don't think they'd get piled on as much if they were saying they'd like to support him and hope he does well rather than saying what a great job he's done already and getting angry when people call out things like his moves over the last year.

Who has said he's done a great job? Who's getting piled on? SS2K and West Eddy just have the exact same conversation every single day and nobody wins. It just plays out like Grumpy Old Men.

[TaylorStSox]

8 minutes ago, Quin said:

I was an eternal optimist until the Sox decided to forgo a search for the most consequential role in the org and hire a guy who had already failed internally.

He is doing things differently. But if he was so apparently hamstrung in his previous role, what did he do to deserve this? He proved nothing. It also means he had to be whispering in Jerry's ear prior to KW/Hahn being fired, which is just...gross. 

He failed at his year one goal of creating a fundamentally sound, aesthetically pleasing team and retroactively declared that it was the plan all along to suck.

He seems to be learning in year two that his bravado in year one was real fucking stupid. If they lose 100+ again without any major showings in the minors (I'm talking championship contention at every level) he should be fired, along with his staff. They won't be, but it's what they'd deserve.

That was all standard GM speak that every single GM in every single sport says. Of course he knew we were going to suck. He's been getting rid of every single asset possible and replacing them with replacement level players, at best. This is a teardown and rebuild situation.

[Quin]

8 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

That was all standard GM speak that every single GM in every single sport says. Of course he knew we were going to suck. He's been getting rid of every single asset possible and replacing them with replacement level players, at best. This is a teardown and rebuild situation.

The only other GM in history with 120 losses had an expansion team in the '50s. Other GMs handed bad situations managed to not f*** up as bad as Getz.

His resume to date is:

- Failed to develop depth in the White Sox farm system over 7 year span.

- Most losses in a single season in MLB history.

Let's see what year two brings. If they're a national laughing stock again where non-sports outlets are covering their futility, he'll have no ground to stand on.

[southsider2k5]

21 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:

Who has said he's done a great job? Who's getting piled on? SS2K and West Eddy just have the exact same conversation every single day and nobody wins. It just plays out like Grumpy Old Men.

Because the same lecture on how we should just be happy is way better.

[TaylorStSox]

11 minutes ago, Quin said:

The only other GM in history with 120 losses had an expansion team in the '50s. Other GMs handed bad situations managed to not f*** up as bad as Getz.

His resume to date is:

- Failed to develop depth in the White Sox farm system over 7 year span.

- Most losses in a single season in MLB history.

Let's see what year two brings. If they're a national laughing stock again where non-sports outlets are covering their futility, he'll have no ground to stand on.

There's no difference between 120 losses and 100 losses. Sucking is sucking. The Sox aren't relevant enough to be a "national laughing stock." Nobody cares. We're also going to be really bad next year. It's going to take a long time to dig out of this hole. When the entire team is made up of highly touted prospects and Lance Lynn, and all but 3 fail, you don't have any assets and you can't jumpstart a rebuild. Getz has done a reasonable job taking a handful of players with some value and turning them into one of the better farms in baseball. Hopefully we see some progress from it. You can spend all your time crying about it or hope for the best. Baseball is fun when you're good and funny when you're terrible.

[TaylorStSox]

17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because the same lecture on how we should just be happy is way better.

At least I only do it once every week or so.

Edited 22 hours ago by TaylorStSox

[caulfield12]

Maybe the only reason Getz "won" is that neither Hahn nor Williams presented JR visions of an "acceptable" $50 million payroll team...since both would have been acknowledging non-competitiveness and complete failures on their part.

Whereas to Getz that was job security in a position he didn't deserve and wouldn't have secured with another organization for at least 3-5 years, if not longer. Largely due to the lack of Top 1-3 picks coming in, FA costs exploding/revenues bottoming out, no TV presence and the ambiguous at best stadium situation.

[Y2Jimmy0]

2 hours ago, poppysox said:

There's not much point in being a fan if we think everything they do is bound to fail.  

Agreed. It's very weird. 

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

They need to change some things. I really find it funny some have blind faith in Chris Getz. Usually someone has something on his resume you could look at and conclude he knows what he is doing. But considering his previous roles and the current state of the team, I think it's pretty certain, he is in over his head. I was an at least it's not Hahn anymore guy. And it isn't Getz fault he is the GM.

It is no fun being a fan. And I really truly hope I am so wrong and the Getz lovers are so right. I would much rather watch them win than lose. But to me, it's fairly obvious how this is going.

 

 

 

Results will ultimately be what matters but he's done a pretty solid job behind the scenes. Getz has made multiple really promising hires and has made a real effort to change the way things have been. Smart people have signed up to come here due to whatever his plan is. They have what looks to be a top 5 farm system and they were around 20 at this time last year. Getz isn't the hire that I would've made but saying he's in over his head right now just isn't an accurate statement. If that makes me a "Getz Lover" then I'll wear it I guess. 

[southsider2k5]

38 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Agreed. It's very weird. 

Results will ultimately be what matters but he's done a pretty solid job behind the scenes. Getz has made multiple really promising hires and has made a real effort to change the way things have been. Smart people have signed up to come here due to whatever his plan is. They have what looks to be a top 5 farm system and they were around 20 at this time last year. Getz isn't the hire that I would've made but saying he's in over his head right now just isn't an accurate statement. If that makes me a "Getz Lover" then I'll wear it I guess. 

I know we are in this feedback loop here, but the same stuff has been said over and over to Sox fans.  We heard all this about Rick Hahn too.  He brought in all of these great hires.n  He's going to be able to things that Kenny was never allowed to do.  He's got this great farm system.    We've done it all before.  You will have to excuse those of us who aren't contented by being force fed the same lines we have heard from decade, by the same toothless media who was saying the same stuff about the previous guys, until the coup and now they are all welcome their new alien overlords.  I will believe it when I actually see results change.

[Fielder Jones]

i like hearing we have hired smart people. that kind of thing is a slow turnaround but much needed. i would also like to hear we're firing the people Rosenthal said had no business being in baseball

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, Fielder Jones said:

i like hearing we have hired smart people. that kind of thing is a slow turnaround but much needed. i would also like to hear we're firing the people Rosenthal said had no business being in baseball

At the end of the day the one person who is most responsible isn't going to change in Jerry Reinsdorf.  He's the one who approves the budgets.  He's the one gumming up hires and fires.  He's the one not approving high end free agent contracts.  He's the one hiring GM's without looking outside of the organization for decades now.  More even than Getz, as long as Jerry is around, the same problems are going to be present under the surface.

[Dick Allen]

43 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Agreed. It's very weird. 

Results will ultimately be what matters but he's done a pretty solid job behind the scenes. Getz has made multiple really promising hires and has made a real effort to change the way things have been. Smart people have signed up to come here due to whatever his plan is. They have what looks to be a top 5 farm system and they were around 20 at this time last year. Getz isn't the hire that I would've made but saying he's in over his head right now just isn't an accurate statement. If that makes me a "Getz Lover" then I'll wear it I guess. 

They had a top 3 farm system the last time with Chris Getz in charge of player development. I hope all you write is true. I hope it all works out, but I’ll believe it when I see it. As much as 2024 was a throwaway year regardless, I don’t think setting a record for losses was part of the plan. The fact still remains, even if most of these guys work out, which they never seem to do, you have to add with highly paid players. I will believe that when I see it as well. 

[Harry Chappas]

14 hours ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

We are so overdue for something to go our way. This would change everything.

The organization needs to want it to go their way and they really do not.