WestEddy Posted Thursday at 09:11 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:11 PM 18 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: If he's an amateur signing and is on a rookie deal, why wouldn't they? Okay, I'm mixed up. Here's an article at MLB.com that explains the PPI draft picks. https://www.mlb.com/news/prospect-performance-incentive-ppi-eligible-players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Thursday at 09:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:13 PM 5 minutes ago, Quin said: He technically doesn't count as a "professional" international player like Yamamoto last year. Also - my bad. Does it just make them Super 2 eligible? I know there was some reason the players pushed for this so hard. To help counter service time manipulation. But any team that signs him is going to agree to put him on the OD roster, just like Ohtani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted Thursday at 09:22 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:22 PM 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: All Getz has to do is reach out to Iguchi ( Sasaki's former manager) and ask him for help and promise him he'll hire him as a coach if Sasaki signs with the Sox. Iguchis been quoted a few years back as wanting to be in a Sox uniform again. What better way to celebrate the 2005 team than to have Iguchi back in uniform and bringing along the pitcher to lead the Sox to their next championship . I'm sure Sasaki must remember Iguchi fondly for trying to set up a program along with the pitching coach to both protect and strengthen him.Certainly Getz could point out how much Garrett Crochet benefitted from how the Sox handled and strengthened him as a selling point to Iguchi who would then convey it to Sasaki. Hey it's more of a connection than a lot of teams have. Yes of course… but still about a .01% chance it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Thursday at 09:24 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:24 PM (edited) 5 minutes ago, hi8is said: Yes of course… but still about a .01% chance it works. I'll pray to God, Baseball Gods, Satan, whoever if I have to. Edited Thursday at 09:24 PM by Bob Sacamano 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted Thursday at 09:45 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:45 PM 23 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I'll pray to God, Baseball Gods, Satan, whoever if I have to. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 10:24 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:24 PM “Is very bad to steal Jobu’s rum… is very bad.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 10:40 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:40 PM Question: do I have this straight? Teams can only offer him the international allotment. They can’t tell him they’ll give him a certain contract at all? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:41 PM 3 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: Question: do I have this straight? Teams can only offer him the international allotment. They can’t tell him they’ll give him a certain contract at all? Thanks And then he’s subject to normal service time rules? Or whoever posts the fee to his team just gets him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Thursday at 10:45 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:45 PM 7 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: Question: do I have this straight? Teams can only offer him the international allotment. They can’t tell him they’ll give him a certain contract at all? Thanks I don't understand how there isn't a work around. Like a team could promise to extend him a huge extension after his first year and no one could really prove that that was agreed to before he signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM It’s kind of bs he has to be subject to this, considering. I don’t think I’ve seen a Japanese league player come over yet that wasn’t at least a decent bench player. He’s obviously a major league level pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 10:47 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:47 PM 8 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: Question: do I have this straight? Teams can only offer him the international allotment. They can’t tell him they’ll give him a certain contract at all? Thanks Correct. He can either sign now for whatever teams have left in their 24 allotment, or wait until Jan to get their 25 allotment. He is then under the standard six years of control structure for any typical draftee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 10:54 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:54 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I don't understand how there isn't a work around. Like a team could promise to extend him a huge extension after his first year and no one could really prove that that was agreed to before he signed. I think I've seen that asked in various chats. The answer always seems to be that if MLB got whiff of a prior deal, they would void it and probably issue penalties on the team. If Sasaki pitched one full year, won the ROY, CY and MVP awards, and the team then decided to issue him a deal that looked like a normal deal that hiked him up from the league minimum, following an arb path, then maybe a payoff for a couple of years after scheduled free agency, that would fly. If he did okay, then they dropped a 10/300 on him, that probably wouldn't. Edited Thursday at 10:56 PM by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Thursday at 10:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:55 PM 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I don't understand how there isn't a work around. Like a team could promise to extend him a huge extension after his first year and no one could really prove that that was agreed to before he signed. While you couldn't prove that...that would be a pretty red flag and a lot of questions would get asked. That could easily be the kind of thing that ends an agents career and provokes pretty severe restrictions from MLB. They could literally void Sasaki's signing, they did something similar with a bunch of Braves prospects. If you tried to do it in Y1, MLB is going to come in asking all sorts of questions because of how weird that deal would be. You're going to sign the guy for what, 16 years and $350 million after 1 year? Think that would look a little weird? If you tried to do it in contract Y5, you're going to have to pay him a fair contract anyway, and if he wanted to say no, he's 1 year away from free agency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Sunday at 04:37 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:37 AM As Roki Sasaki starts his free agency process, sources have indicated that only a few teams even have a real shot at the Japanese phenom. Some of those teams include the #Dodgers, #Padres, #Mariners, #Mets and #WhiteSox. — MLBScoops (@mlb_scoops) December 15, 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Sunday at 04:38 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:38 AM 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: “Real shot” and “White Sox”….why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Sunday at 04:40 AM Share Posted Sunday at 04:40 AM 4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: “Real shot” and “White Sox”….why? All these baseball people and players "buying in" to Chris Getz' vision. Why not Sasaki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Sunday at 05:02 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:02 AM 24 minutes ago, WestEddy said: MLB_scoops has been proven to be...shoddy...at best. I'm pretty sure lower than the foodies. So my guess is this is mega engagement bait. I mean, look at the comments. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Sunday at 05:43 AM Share Posted Sunday at 05:43 AM I’ll bet my left nut that he’s not signing with our loser organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted Sunday at 11:34 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:34 AM 6 hours ago, WestEddy said: I believe him, yo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Sunday at 12:21 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:21 PM 7 hours ago, WestEddy said: All these baseball people and players "buying in" to Chris Getz' vision. Why not Sasaki? If Chris Getz was offering more money than anyone else, I would buy into his vision too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted Sunday at 12:39 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:39 PM 20 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: If Chris Getz was offering more money than anyone else, I would buy into his vision too. Not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM On 12/12/2024 at 1:22 PM, hi8is said: Yes of course… but still about a .01% chance it works. Sure but we do have some selling points to present if Getz chooses that path. For all we know Getz hasn't reached out to Iguchi. I don't know of any reporter who has asked him if he has yet in recent interviews during the many times he spoke at the Winter meetings. I'd be interested in knowing that. It seems like the best way to do it. Having Iguchi there representing and pumping up the Sox as a soft landing spot would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted Sunday at 12:47 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:47 PM "I'm coming to the US now because I can't wait to compete against the best players in the world. But also I've decided to join the white sox because I want to do it in a place no one is watching" Makes perfect sense to me let's gooooooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Sunday at 12:50 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:50 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Sure but we do have some selling points to present if Getz chooses that path. For all we know Getz hasn't reached out to Iguchi. I don't know of any reporter who has asked him if he has yet in recent interviews during the many times he spoke at the Winter meetings. I'd be interested in knowing that. It seems like the best way to do it. Having Iguchi there representing and pumping up the Sox as a soft landing spot would be ideal. I just don’t see how Iguchi ‘s experience almost 2 decades ago would have or should have any weight. You get to pick your team. This is rare for someone his age. You can pick a team that wins and eventually pays or, or a team that doesn’t and eventually trades you. Getz has been asked about a timeline, and he doesn’t have one. Why, if the money is around the same initially, except playing in oblivion probably hurts his off the field money, would a guy who could go anywhere, sign with a team that has no idea when or if they will good? Edited Sunday at 12:54 PM by Dick Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Sunday at 02:24 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:24 PM (edited) On 12/12/2024 at 1:10 PM, Quin said: He technically doesn't count as a "professional" international player like Yamamoto last year. Also - my bad. Does it just make them Super 2 eligible? I know there was some reason the players pushed for this so hard. There are also monetary incentives to the players . If you recall Dylan Cease won the most money because of his 2022 season in the 1st ever pre-arbitration bonus pool based on the new CBA rules that was ratified in March 2022. Since players have 3 pre arbitration years they can technically earn extra money all 3 years based on WAR or finishing high in Cy Young and MVP voting. Julio Rodriquez and Corbin Carroll have won Multiple times and Bobby Witt just got an extra $3M . All teams throw in $1.67M into what amount to a $50M pool given to the top 100 pre arbitration players every year of the new CBA which runs through the 2026 season. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35219927/source-dylan-cease-headlines-new-pre-arbitration-bonus-pool https://apnews.com/sports/baseball-5dc4b61e33649fa5d08e17c3de87cf67 https://apnews.com/2023-mlb-pre-arbitration-bonus-pool-e42e78b212cf3ab0b86b36f66fbaa47f Those are the list of winners from 2022, 2023 & 2024 . The 2022 is not the full list since it's just an article about Cease getting the top reward and has a cursory list of the 2022 top rewards but not the full list that the AP puts out which is what the other 2 links are for 2024 and 2023. The new list comes out every December. I see Burger got an extra $356K for his 2023 season. Edited Sunday at 02:48 PM by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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