Sammy Peralta and Nicky Lopez clear waivers & elect free agency

[ChiSox59]

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Problem is you have a Boston insider last deadline that said the Sox were trying to get them to take Benintendi

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

[Chicago White Sox]

30 minutes ago, fathom said:

Problem is you have a Boston insider last deadline that said the Sox were trying to get them to take Benintendi

Hopefully more of an opening negotiating stance and not our desired outcome.

[Chicago White Sox]

21 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

I think Robert has extra year of control for what it’s worth.

[fathom]

19 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

I agree, but nothing this franchise does makes sense and we should all be nervous (especially with so many rumors about how much money they’ve lost the last two years).

[ChiSox59]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think Robert has extra year of control for what it’s worth.

Damn, didn;t realize Lux was down to jsut 2 years.  Even more support for it being a terrible idea.  

Something like De Paula, Lux and someone in the 8-15 range for Robert would work, I guess.  I'd still prefer someone other than Lux.  But even then, I'd rather just hold and hope we get good Robert in 25.  IF we do, he's worth multiples of his current value.  When he's not even that expensive, we don't really have anyone else to take his spot, and still have plenty of control, rushing into a meh deal after his brutal 24 isn't necessary.  

 

[Chicago White Sox]

4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Damn, didn;t realize Lux was down to jsut 2 years.  Even more support for it being a terrible idea.  

Something like De Paula, Lux and someone in the 8-15 range for Robert would work, I guess.  I'd still prefer someone other than Lux.  But even then, I'd rather just hold and hope we get good Robert in 25.  IF we do, he's worth multiples of his current value.  When he's not even that expensive, we don't really have anyone else to take his spot, and still have plenty of control, rushing into a meh deal after his brutal 24 isn't necessary.  

 

I’m 100% behind holding onto Robert.  Go sign someone like Joc on a very short term to provide some protection and hope he rebounds.

[Quin]

41 minutes ago, fathom said:

Problem is you have a Boston insider last deadline that said the Sox were trying to get them to take Benintendi

Clown owner. Clown GM. Clown franchise.

[ChiSox59]

42 minutes ago, fathom said:

Problem is you have a Boston insider last deadline that said the Sox were trying to get them to take Benintendi

We also have a national insider (Passan) saying that Dominguez + Jones isn't enough for Crochet. So, like, there is plenty out there on both sides.  

[WestEddy]

35 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

I could see the White Sox trading their $850K international slot space so somebody could sign Sasaki. It it were the Dodgers, I could see that return being an A-ball position player/rotation arm PLUS Gavin Lux. 

The only reason for these nonsense "trades" (crochet + benintendi, robert for garbage) is that Reinsdorf is selling the team by the end of the year, and wants payroll cleared, which still only makes sense in the realm of a couple commenters saying that could be what JR selling looks like. 

[Bob Sacamano]

I can easily see them trying to deal AB with Crochet but don’t see Robert for Lux. Doesn’t make sense to lessen your return for an ace but this is the White Sox here. They don’t deserve benefit of the doubt. Absolutely a possibility until he’s traded alone.

Edited 7 hours ago by Bob Sacamano

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

It would be to normal teams.  But JR might just not want to pay half of his salary until the deadline.

[WhiteSox2023]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I could see the White Sox trading their $850K international slot space so somebody could sign Sasaki. It it were the Dodgers, I could see that return being an A-ball position player/rotation arm PLUS Gavin Lux. 

The only reason for these nonsense "trades" (crochet + benintendi, robert for garbage) is that Reinsdorf is selling the team by the end of the year, and wants payroll cleared, which still only makes sense in the realm of a couple commenters saying that could be what JR selling looks like. 

I don’t think Lux is any good, but I still doubt the Sox would get that kind of return for international money.

[WhiteSox2023]

38 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

We also have a national insider (Passan) saying that Dominguez + Jones isn't enough for Crochet. So, like, there is plenty out there on both sides.  

In Passan’s opinion, not based on what he’s heard from either side.  Sox say yes to that offer.  Yankees probably say no.

Jones fell off a bit (strikeouts, yikes!), but Dominguez is still #14 in the top 100.

I doubt the actual return for Crochet ends up looking better than Dominguez and Jones.

Edited 7 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Balta1701]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It would be to normal teams.  But JR might just not want to pay half of his salary until the deadline.

Welp, the other worry is Moncada.

An injury in the first half to Robert and not only do they pay his whole season salary but his option is declined next offseason and they get nothing for him.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Welp, the other worry is Moncada.

An injury in the first half to Robert and not only do they pay his whole season salary but his option is declined next offseason and they get nothing for him.

Robert’s trade value is minimal right now. They clearly missed the boat on selling high on him last offseason. Everyone fell in love with his outlier 2023 season.

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t think Lux is any good, but I still doubt the Sox would get that kind of return for international money.

They got Aldrin Batista and Maximo Martinez for $1 million in slot money. 

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Robert’s trade value is minimal right now. They clearly missed the boat on selling high on him last offseason. Everyone fell in love with his outlier 2023 season.

I remember a lot of posters wanting the Sox to sell high on Robert that year but I seem to remember the rumors were that the offers weren’t high enough.  But I don’t recall if any of the actual trade offers were leaked.

Edited 7 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

They got Aldrin Batista and Maximo Martinez for $1 million in slot money. 

The Sox 21st ranked prospect and a guy who will be out of baseball soon because he walks the world?

Edited 7 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Chicago White Sox]

9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Robert’s trade value is minimal right now. They clearly missed the boat on selling high on him last offseason. Everyone fell in love with his outlier 2023 season.

I think last year was the outlier and he will bounce back.  The dude literally had zero protection and was probably trying to do too much as a result.  Add in the fact the team was historically bad and what that does to your psyche and it shouldn’t be surprising he had a mediocre year.  The talent is still there IMO.

[WhiteSox2023]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think last year was the outlier and he will bounce back.  The dude literally had zero protection and was probably trying to do too much as a result.  Add in the fact the team was historically bad and what that does to your psyche and it shouldn’t be surprising he had a mediocre year.  The talent is still there IMO.

How is the zero protection factor changing for Robert next season?  🤣

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Sox 21st ranked prospect and a guy who will be out of baseball soon because he walks the world?

Not sure what your point is. Aldrin Batista is a legitimate prospect, regardless of ranking. He was acquired for international slot money. 

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

It doesn't make any sense, Fathom.  I don't buy it.  You can't completely rule it out because White Sox, but I refuse to believe this is actually a thing.  Even more insane is trading Robert for a busted prospect with the same amount of control.  If that's Robert's value, not holding him and hoping for a big first half is ABSOLUTE INSANITY.

It doesn't make any sense at all, but if you see the way GetzCo has operated over the last 16 months, you also can't say they wouldn't.  That's what is fucked up about it.

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Not sure what your point is. Aldrin Batista is a legitimate prospect, regardless of ranking. He was acquired for international slot money. 

He was ranked 31st in the Dodgers farm system by FanGraphs at the time of the trade.  He was 19 and pitching in Dodgers rookie ball.  That’s just a flier with boom or bust potential, not a legitimate prospect.

Batista is now rated right ahead of #22 Jake Eder in the Sox top 30.

Edited 6 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Chicago White Sox]

33 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

How is the zero protection factor changing for Robert next season?  🤣

I would go out and buy at proven bat in free agency on a very short term deal.

[Balta1701]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I would go out and buy at proven bat in free agency on a very short term deal.

Such as?