almagest Posted Tuesday at 05:53 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:53 PM 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly how I have felt about almost every move made in the year and a half. Your favorite player was Nicky Lopez? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Tuesday at 05:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:57 PM 5 minutes ago, almagest said: Your favorite player was Nicky Lopez? Or When given a choice between Player A and Player B in the last 1.5 years, we chose the wrong player. But sure. You keep plugging away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM Abreu at league minimum or Vaughn at about $6M? Idk I think I would prefer non-tendering Vaughn, sign Abreu to MiLB deal, and look for someone more interesting to play at 1B on a MLB deal. Or just move Vargas to 1B and play Ramos at 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Tuesday at 06:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:20 PM 22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Or When given a choice between Player A and Player B in the last 1.5 years, we chose the wrong player. But sure. You keep plugging away. Man, learn to take a joke. Or just say what you actually mean if you can't see the joke inherent in Nicky Lopez being anyone's favorite player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Tuesday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:39 PM 20 minutes ago, almagest said: Man, learn to take a joke. Or just say what you actually mean if you can't see the joke inherent in Nicky Lopez being anyone's favorite player. Oh right, of course. A joke, I guess you tell a lot of jokes then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted Tuesday at 06:45 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:45 PM It's hard for me to put much stock in winter league numbers, especially after the season Abreu had. I wish Pito the best, but I'd be leery of giving him a Major League deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Tuesday at 06:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:50 PM 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Oh right, of course. A joke, I guess you tell a lot of jokes then. Second highest reaction count! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted Tuesday at 08:03 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:03 PM 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Abreu at league minimum or Vaughn at about $6M? Idk I think I would prefer non-tendering Vaughn, sign Abreu to MiLB deal, and look for someone more interesting to play at 1B on a MLB deal. Or just move Vargas to 1B and play Ramos at 3B. "How about everyone at league minimum.....I'm Jerry Reinsdorf and I endorse this message" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Tuesday at 08:21 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:21 PM I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if this happened. Jerry loves Abreu and cheap contracts. Getz just signed 32-year old Slater already. Seems pretty obvious that dumpster diving for vets is still #1 on Getz’s offseason plan, just like last year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted Tuesday at 08:23 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:23 PM 4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if this happened. Jerry loves Abreu and cheap contracts. Getz just signed 32-year old Slater already. Seems pretty obvious that dumpster diving for vets is still #1 on Getz’s offseason plan, just like last year. Looks like another 120-loss season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Tuesday at 08:24 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:24 PM 4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if this happened. Jerry loves Abreu and cheap contracts. Getz just signed 32-year old Slater already. Seems pretty obvious that dumpster diving for vets is still #1 on Getz’s offseason plan, just like last year. Look I get that we aren't spending this winter, and I totally understand why, but if we are going to dumpster dive can we try to make it someone who could have actual trade value and not just a roster spot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Tuesday at 08:29 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:29 PM 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Look I get that we aren't spending this winter, and I totally understand why, but if we are going to dumpster dive can we try to make it someone who could have actual trade value and not just a roster spot? Agreed. Getz should be trying to acquire as many one time good prospects in their mid-20’s as possible, not 32-year old Austin Slater’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted Tuesday at 08:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:37 PM 15 minutes ago, Highland said: Looks like another 120-loss season. So a 1 game improvement then! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted Tuesday at 08:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:46 PM (edited) I just don't think Abreu would want to be on another losing team, he did that with the Sox already. He made his fortune, unless he just desperately wants to play and will do that with anyone who gives him a chance, but you'd think he would go to a contender if he had the option. Edited Tuesday at 08:47 PM by ScootsMcGoots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:48 PM (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chimpton said: So a 1 game improvement then! Just think, if we improve just 1 game each season over the next 120 years, we'll be 162-0. Edited Tuesday at 08:48 PM by ScootsMcGoots 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:50 PM 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: It's hard for me to put much stock in winter league numbers, especially after the season Abreu had. I wish Pito the best, but I'd be leery of giving him a Major League deal. A minor league deal with an invite to spring training would be my setup. Doesn't take up a roster spot, leaves you the option of finding someone better (say, in a Robert or Crochet deal, or as a free agent in February or March). Basically for me, the motivation is not having Abreu around, it's using him as an excuse to not pay Vaughn in arbitration. If they're chopping the payroll down to $80 million or less, whatever their motivation for doing so is, then spending $6.4 million on Vaughn just isn't smart money any more. He isn't playing up to that, and if he were to break out with the White Sox this season (which seems admittedly unlikely), he's not going to be worth enough in a trade to justify the money spent on him given they have limited control left of him and he has a long history of struggles. If the payroll is being slashed, then slash it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:52 PM 6 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: I just don't think Abreu would want to be on another losing team, he did that with the Sox already. He made his fortune, unless he just desperately wants to play and will do that with anyone who gives him a chance, but you'd think he would go to a contender if he had the option. Then Jose Abreu won't be playing in the big leagues at least to start the year. Obvious contenders might be willing to try him out on their AAA team to start the year, but he will not be their option 1 or 2. IF he wants a team that could give him a reasonable shot to break camp in the big leagues, that's the White Sox. If things go well for him in the first half, he might play on a contender after the trade deadline anyway, but he'd have to show that he can hit big league pitching again first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:13 PM 28 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said: I just don't think Abreu would want to be on another losing team, he did that with the Sox already. He made his fortune, unless he just desperately wants to play and will do that with anyone who gives him a chance, but you'd think he would go to a contender if he had the option. How many great teams are going to want him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:16 PM Wait. Are there people who actually want to bring him back and are not joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted Tuesday at 10:30 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:30 PM At this Stage the PRican winter league ain't better than AA. 30 years ago I could say hmm. Now not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted Tuesday at 10:45 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:45 PM 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: How many great teams are going to want him? I have no idea. I also said contending, not great. Contending could literally mean any team that is projected to be a few games over .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Tuesday at 11:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:07 PM 10 hours ago, Texsox said: https://www.soxon35th.com/report-jose-abreu-drawing-interest-from-mlb-teams-deal-imminent/ If we're going to lose, let's lose with guys that play hard and are likable. Eventually he should be allowed to sign a one day contract if he wants and retire as a White Sox. It's a 6 game sample size.I wonder if the Sox even have scout there watching games. If they do, I'm sure there are younger players to scout. I hope the Fuller hire doesn't mean it's another coach taking a crack at Vaughn and Sheets. Send them packing and use the $8M somewhere else. Abreu " signing imminent " sounds like BS based on sample sIze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted yesterday at 12:49 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:49 AM 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: Wait. Are there people who actually want to bring him back and are not joking? I'm not joking. How have young players are we going to rush their development because we don't have anyone else? He's easy to root for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted yesterday at 01:01 AM Share Posted yesterday at 01:01 AM 13 minutes ago, Texsox said: I'm not joking. How have young players are we going to rush their development because we don't have anyone else? He's easy to root for. What young players would be rushed if he isn't on the team? Tim Elko who is already 25? Andrew Vaughn will put up better numbers than whatever Jose Abreu would put up this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted yesterday at 02:11 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:11 AM 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said: What young players would be rushed if he isn't on the team? Tim Elko who is already 25? Andrew Vaughn will put up better numbers than whatever Jose Abreu would put up this year. Andrew Vaughn will also cost $6.4 million this year give or take, based on arbitration estimates. That's 10% of their currently committed salary for a guy who seemingly doesn't have a future with this team and who seemingly won't bring back anything of value in a trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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