Balta1701 Posted Friday at 05:48 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:48 PM 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nope. I never said "Zavala was a solid success". The convo was hidden because multiple admins were so owned they wept. I will type this slowly. Zavala's defensive advancement was an example of the White Sox' new ability to develop the defensive side of a catcher's game. They released Zavala in September to get Lee reps. By pointing out this series of transactions you make a convincing case that the White Sox don't care about the defensive side of a catcher's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 05:51 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:51 PM (edited) 5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: By pointing out this series of transactions you make a convincing case that the White Sox don't care about the defensive side of a catcher's game. Not once they feel they have the ability to develop it in their prospects, no. And in the lost season of 2023, why give a month's worth of reps to Zavala instead of seeing what they just acquired in Lee? Zavala's a backup catcher. Multiple teams have moved on from him in order to facilitate another roster move. It's really not that hard to understand. Edited Friday at 05:52 PM by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 05:52 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:52 PM The best we can about Zavala is he knocked off Zack Collins…but that doesn’t exactly scream developmental success, either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Friday at 05:54 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:54 PM 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nope. I never said "Zavala was a solid success". The convo was hidden because multiple admins were so owned they wept. I will type this slowly. Zavala's defensive advancement was an example of the White Sox' new ability to develop the defensive side of a catcher's game. They released Zavala in September to get Lee reps. So hurt by it, they keep dragging their hurt feelings into these threads a year + later. Oh right... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Friday at 05:54 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:54 PM 2 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Not once they feel they have the ability to develop it in their prospects, no. And in the lost season of 2023, why give a month's worth of reps to Zavala instead of seeing what they just acquired in Lee? Because they could have easily designated Grandal for assignment or sent Perez (who started 6 games in the last 2 months) to Charlotte instead. But, they didn't care about Zavala's better defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Friday at 05:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:56 PM (edited) 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Because they could have easily designated Grandal for assignment or sent Perez (who started 6 games in the last 2 months) to Charlotte instead. But, they didn't care about Zavala's better defense. This is what they should have done and what everyone said at the time. Edited Friday at 05:56 PM by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted Friday at 05:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:56 PM 1 hour ago, almagest said: The new bench coach was responsible for the Brewers catchers becoming so good at pitch framing. https://brewerfanatic.com/news-rumors/milwaukee-brewers/walker-mckinven-could-be-the-brewers-most-impactful-offseason-coaching-loss-r2814/ Framing won't matter the next season the White Sox lose less than 100 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted Friday at 06:05 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:05 PM 11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Framing won't matter the next season the White Sox lose less than 100 games. So should they not hire guys to turn mediocre to terrible areas into potential strengths? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 07:13 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:13 PM 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: So hurt by it, they keep dragging their hurt feelings into these threads a year + later. Oh right... You're the one who has to post a picture of Baghdad Bob when a comment string gets above your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 07:14 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:14 PM 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Because they could have easily designated Grandal for assignment or sent Perez (who started 6 games in the last 2 months) to Charlotte instead. But, they didn't care about Zavala's better defense. You keep trying to argue straw men. I hope you win those arguments with whomever is making them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted Friday at 07:41 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:41 PM I sure hope Quero isn't on the OF roster. Terrible short sighted roster management. I doubt Chuckie Robinson survives the offseason on the 40 man, so we'll need another catcher but I'd just give Lee the vast majority of the work until Quero earns his promotion, sometime in May. I'd probably just bring in a couple milb invite and see who wins the job. Or could just let Hackenburg get a taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted Friday at 08:08 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:08 PM 27 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I sure hope Quero isn't on the OF roster. Terrible short sighted roster management. I doubt Chuckie Robinson survives the offseason on the 40 man, so we'll need another catcher but I'd just give Lee the vast majority of the work until Quero earns his promotion, sometime in May. I'd probably just bring in a couple milb invite and see who wins the job. Or could just let Hackenburg get a taste. For the extra year? Before he got hurt Quero was tearing up AAA. I can see manipulating his service time but Quero is already a better receiver and game caller than Lee. And he is miles better as a hitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Friday at 08:56 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:56 PM 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: You're the one who has to post a picture of Baghdad Bob when a comment string gets above your head. And you are the one who brings up your L's from last year when you get beaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 09:05 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:05 PM 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And you are the one who brings up your L's from last year when you get beaten. One could play that game all day long with the stuff he said last year… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:31 AM 11 hours ago, Balta1701 said: From a part time catcher, one hot streak is fine by me. What I’ve noticed from his numbers defensively is: 1. He has real promise controlling the running game, with elite pop time and above average accuracy so far. 2. There are two weaknesses in his game defensively. He’s poor at blocking the plate and awful at framing. 3. However, we have seen people on other teams get better at some of those with work, particularly framing. This hasn’t happened with White Sox young catchers though because they didn’t think of such things in the 1990s and that means it’s inappropriate to coach players on it. Is the new regime more open to working with him on improving pitch framing? McKinven is supposed to be a framing whisperer according to some sources with both Narvaez and William Contreras improving while with the Brewers. Eric Kratz of Foul Territory was one source who said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Saturday at 03:22 AM Share Posted Saturday at 03:22 AM 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: McKinven is supposed to be a framing whisperer according to some sources with both Narvaez and William Contreras improving while with the Brewers. Eric Kratz of Foul Territory was one source who said that. With all these guys let’s see how it goes. I like it on paper but I’ve heard it all before. There’s a 10 year old article out there about how the White Sox are totally making it a point to teach framing and like a 9 year old article about how the 2015 team keeps losing games because they got rid of Flowers and now Avila and Navarro are one of the worst framing pairs in baseball. I do want to give Quero a shot though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 12:55 PM Share Posted Saturday at 12:55 PM 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: One could play that game all day long with the stuff he said last year… Yes, please, post more of my reasonable takes to pretend you're making a sick burn. LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted Saturday at 01:41 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:41 PM 17 hours ago, Timmy U said: For the extra year? Before he got hurt Quero was tearing up AAA. I can see manipulating his service time but Quero is already a better receiver and game caller than Lee. And he is miles better as a hitter. Great. Call him up in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 04:26 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:26 PM (edited) 12 hours ago, WestEddy said: Yes, please, post more of my reasonable takes to pretend you're making a sick burn. LOL. Saying you would pencil Corey Julks into the 2025 lineup last July after he had around just over 100 at bats with the Sox and finished the season with a line of .214/.275/.306/.581 was reasonable? No, that was not a reasonable take at all. Edited 23 hours ago by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 04:31 PM Share Posted Saturday at 04:31 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Saying you would pencil Corey Julks into the 2025 lineup last July was reasonable after he had around just over 100 at bats with the Sox and finished the season with a line of .214/.275/.306/.581 was reasonable? No, that was not a reasonable take at all. I sure hope you find somebody to pay attention to you like you pay attention to my innocuous opinions from last year. LOL. I'm not sure how calling Sheets a lefty bench bat or Julks a short half of a platoon is unreasonable, but you do you. Edited Saturday at 04:33 PM by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Saturday at 11:57 PM Share Posted Saturday at 11:57 PM 11 hours ago, WestEddy said: Yes, please, post more of my reasonable takes to pretend you're making a sick burn. LOL. Julks and Sheets a week away from being an average MLB hitter? Well, I guess if they were catchers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM (edited) 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Julks and Sheets a week away from being an average MLB hitter? Well, I guess if they were catchers. No, MLB average OPS was what I stated (.709), at the time. Corey Julks walked in a single PA on 7/20, and brought his OPS up to .699. Gavin Sheets just registered a 1-4 on July 14th that had him sitting with a .693 OPS. What I said was factually correct, and not really all that "out there". Edited yesterday at 12:16 AM by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted yesterday at 12:13 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:13 AM (edited) 7 hours ago, WestEddy said: I sure hope you find somebody to pay attention to you like you pay attention to my innocuous opinions from last year. LOL. I'm not sure how calling Sheets a lefty bench bat or Julks a short half of a platoon is unreasonable, but you do you. I didn’t highlight the Sheets portion of your post. I highlighted the Julks portion. And yes, penciling in Julks into the 2025 lineup last July was just as unreasonable then as it is now. Edited yesterday at 12:14 AM by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 AM 20 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Julks and Sheets a week away from being an average MLB hitter? Well, I guess if they were catchers. No, they were a week away from being DFA by a real organization. The White Sox finally caught up and cut one of the two. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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