Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 https://www.soxon35th.com/report-white-sox-outfielder-andrew-benintendi-on-the-trade-market/ Will they include him in a Crochet trade. Will they find a way to move him in another deal. Will they eat some money and if so how much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) “It’s unclear if the former All-Star has drawn any sort of attention or if the team is simply making him available.“ 🤣🤣🤣 Edited November 24 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Are they trying to make sure that Vaughn is the highest paid player on the team as payback to everyone who said he should be non-tendered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 29 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Are they trying to make sure that Vaughn is the highest paid player on the team as payback to everyone who said he should be non-tendered? Well he is the featured jersey at my local Dick’s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Please don't include him in Crochet or Robert deals. Payroll is already going to be south of 100m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 I love how their reporting in their by legit guys, yet people on here won’t believe us when they say they want to deal him with Crochet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 24 Author Share Posted November 24 36 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Are they trying to make sure that Vaughn is the highest paid player on the team as payback to everyone who said he should be non-tendered? It's gonna be close but I think they're gonna sign a pitcher to a Fedde like deal. 2/$15M. 2/$20M. Something like that but it will probably be back loaded. Ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 12 minutes ago, fathom said: I love how their reporting in their by legit guys, yet people on here won’t believe us when they say they want to deal him with Crochet. You can lead a horse to water... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 14 minutes ago, fathom said: I love how their reporting in their by legit guys, yet people on here won’t believe us when they say they want to deal him with Crochet. It's not that people don't believe it, it's that it's irrational and stupid and so people don't want to believe it. The payroll is already very low, the priority should be on adding young prospect talent not watering down packages for salary relief. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 17 minutes ago, fathom said: I love how their reporting in their by legit guys, yet people on here won’t believe us when they say they want to deal him with Crochet. They listened to Crochet/Benny offers back in the summer. At that point, neither was eminently palatable as a TDL acquisition. Has anybody reported that Getz is actively shopping Benny and Crochet as a package now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 22 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: It's not that people don't believe it, it's that it's irrational and stupid and so people don't want to believe it. The payroll is already very low, the priority should be on adding young prospect talent not watering down packages for salary relief. JR must be an optimist to believe he can live to see a 10-year rebuild to a conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 “In these particular discussions, an unnamed team proposed taking on all or most of Benintendi’s remaining contract. Whether the White Sox seriously entertained this idea is unknown” Not sure how that substantiates the claim the Sox want to package him with Crochet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) 29 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: It's not that people don't believe it, it's that it's irrational and stupid and so people don't want to believe it. The payroll is already very low, the priority should be on adding young prospect talent not watering down packages for salary relief. Exactly. The Sox payroll is at like $66 million after anticipated arbitration payouts. There’s no reason for this team to neuter a Crochet or Robert trade return by including Benintendi. It’s not like Getz is going to spend any of the freed up money anyways. Edited November 24 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 I didn't have a problem with Getz starting off with offers that include both players. It's where they end up that matters. There are three outcomes, only one is bad. The return is greater than just Crochet by himself. Very unlikely, but it doesn't hurt to start from this position. If he doesn't start from a big win, he'll never win or break even. The return is about the same, which is a win for Getz. The return is less that what Crochet would get on his own, which is a loss for Getz and what most folks fear based on decades of Sox deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Texsox said: I didn't have a problem with Getz starting off with offers that include both players. It's where they end up that matters. There are three outcomes, only one is bad. The return is greater than just Crochet by himself. Very unlikely, but it doesn't hurt to start from this position. If he doesn't start from a big win, he'll never win or break even. The return is about the same, which is a win for Getz. The return is less that what Crochet would get on his own, which is a loss for Getz and what most folks fear based on decades of Sox deals. I don’t quite understand your second outcome. There’s only one reason that a team would take on Benintendi and his contract in a Crochet trade, and that is to pay less in the form of prospects for Crochet. The return of a trade of Crochet and Benintendi won’t be “about the same” as a trade of Crochet alone. Teams don’t take on $47.5 million in salary over the next 3 years for free, and we all know that Benintendi’s .685 OPS and noodle arm in LF isn’t worth that money. Edited November 24 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I don’t quite understand your second outcome. There’s only one reason that a team would take on Benintendi and his contract in a Crochet trade, and that is to pay less in the form of prospects for Crochet. The return of a trade of Crochet and Benintendi won’t be “about the same” as a trade of Crochet alone. Then you are talking about the 3rd outcome if Getz accepts the deal. More than Crochet alone Equal to Crochet alone Less than Crochet alone Asking for the first two isn't a problem unless Getz accepts the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 3 minutes ago, Texsox said: Then you are talking about the 3rd outcome if Getz accepts the deal. There are really only two realistic outcomes and one is bad, very bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 The payroll is low enough Jerry, please don’t force Beni into a Crochett deal to make it lower. In a stand along deal the Sox would have to include 25-30 million…and still get nothing of value back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, fathom said: I love how their reporting in their by legit guys, yet people on here won’t believe us when they say they want to deal him with Crochet. Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense. Exactly. Benintendi in the second half… 235 PA .263 AVG .328 OBP .502 SLG .830 OPS 13 HR 38 RBI It makes zero sense to ruin any trade return by including Benintendi. The payroll is already one of the lowest in the MLB. You may as well see if Benintendi continues his good second half into 2025 and then you can likely trade him without it hurting so bad. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense. No, but it makes Jerry dollars, and that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 (edited) 30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: No, but it makes Jerry dollars, and that makes sense. This is true as well. There’s what makes sense, and what the Sox do. 🤣 Edited November 25 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Because it doesn't make any sense. I'm sure they'd love to dump Beni. I personally would just keep him. He was solid last few months of the season and he a good first half away from being moveable without being a negative asset. But if they can dump him now to open up more ABs for Fletcher/Deloach/Colas, I won't argue. That said, taking less return on Crochet to dump Beni makes less than no sense. No one disagrees here. The problem is we don’t know if Jerry feels the same way. They want to get rid of the salary, clearly. We don’t know what directives Getz has been given by ownership. They can also easily “open up AB’s” by cutting him, but of course they won’t do that. What we do know as objective fact is no one is taking him on for a prospect or league minimum player. He won’t be moved unless the Sox are also taking on salary, or he is included in a package with Crochet or another positive value player. It doesn’t make sense to lessen the value of the Crochet package to include him. But just because we don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it won’t happen. It may not, but I would say it’s possible given ownership 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 27 minutes ago, Tony said: No one disagrees here. The problem is we don’t know if Jerry feels the same way. They want to get rid of the salary, clearly. We don’t know what directives Getz has been given by ownership. They can also easily “open up AB’s” by cutting him, but of course they won’t do that. What we do know as objective fact is no one is taking him on for a prospect or league minimum player. He won’t be moved unless the Sox are also taking on salary, or he is included in a package with Crochet or another positive value player. It doesn’t make sense to lessen the value of the Crochet package to include him. But just because we don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it won’t happen. It may not, but I would say it’s possible given ownership Yeah, but if JR was so hell-bent on saving money in the worst way, wouldn't they have dealt Moncada's buyout with international money like they did before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Keep Crochet. Our rotation could be incredible with him and Noah Schultz at the top. They both have the ability to dominate line-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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