White Sox asking for "top prospects" for Robert

[hi8is]

2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Are you?

Are you constipated? 

[Chick Mercedes]

17 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Why am I retaining him?  Because his career fWAR/162 is 4.35 - including his god awful 2024 and other long stretches where he hasn't look like a big leaguer. He is just reaching his prime years.  He's unlikely to ever give you 145+ games, but he doesn't need to do that to easily be worth $20M in today's game. He's a game changing talent that is obviously extremely streaky, but if the streak comes early in 2025 (or 26), we're sitting on the most sought after position player at the deadline.  And if you want to assume Robert just is what he is, he's still a very good CF with a lot of pop, and the ability to carry a team for weeks if he gets hot.  On an actual contender with legitimate protection around him, I am certain he would be much closer to the 23 version than 24. 

I don’t question any of that. I only question what good is Robert in Chicago in whatever form he takes. We’re not looking at competing any year soon. I’d be jumping at any chance to get younger right now.

[Texsox]

I wish the headline was White Sox Looking for a Average Prospect (because Robert had a bad year and there are injury concerns.) What kind of a GM tries to get Top Prospects? Then he would be in the same category as Boras and nobody likes Boras. 

[WestEddy]

11 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Agreed, WE.  I was actually surprised that the Phillies are looking to include Bohm in every deal.  He’s no star, but he’a a very good player, especially for his arbitration price.

But do you agree that the Sox would be best served immediately trading Bohm for additional prospects if they do acquire him as a second or third piece in any Crochet trade?  I think that makes the most sense.  The Sox won’t be competing in the two year window that Bohm is under control.

I love the idea of acquiring two top prospects and Bohm and dealing Bohm for a couple lesser (but still good) prospects, whether that be in a three team deal or two separate trades by the Sox.  That could be a pretty good haul for Crochet, considering his risk and not having to pay him in a couple years.

If they think they can "fix" Bohm, or tap something in his swing, he could be our 3B for 4 months, then trade him at the deadline. Or just flip him, now. His walks certainly fell off in August, and didn't seem to really come back from his IL stint. 

Maybe the Phillies just see him as injured in a way that will take him into 2025 to truly recover from. Either way, he never developed the power he should have, and his defense hasn't progressed into a clear asset. 

[WhiteSox2023]

14 hours ago, hi8is said:

Are you constipated? 

Poop.

[caulfield12]

8 hours ago, WestEddy said:

If they think they can "fix" Bohm, or tap something in his swing, he could be our 3B for 4 months, then trade him at the deadline. Or just flip him, now. His walks certainly fell off in August, and didn't seem to really come back from his IL stint. 

Maybe the Phillies just see him as injured in a way that will take him into 2025 to truly recover from. Either way, he never developed the power he should have, and his defense hasn't progressed into a clear asset. 

And yet his overall 3.5 fWAR on the season would have exceeded the entire Sox offense...and we are picking apart all his numerous flaws here.  

[TheFutureIsNear]

20 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Agreed, WE.  I was actually surprised that the Phillies are looking to include Bohm in every deal.  He’s no star, but he’a a very good player, especially for his arbitration price.

But do you agree that the Sox would be best served immediately trading Bohm for additional prospects if they do acquire him as a second or third piece in any Crochet trade?  I think that makes the most sense.  The Sox won’t be competing in the two year window that Bohm is under control.

I love the idea of acquiring two top prospects and Bohm and dealing Bohm for a couple lesser (but still good) prospects, whether that be in a three team deal or two separate trades by the Sox.  That could be a pretty good haul for Crochet, considering his risk and not having to pay him in a couple years.

It’s well known the Phillies are looking to move Bohm because he has personality/maturity issues. He threw multiple temper tantrums after having bad games and wore out his welcome in that clubhouse. 
How much that will affect his value across the league is a fair question, but I imagine there’s at least a handful of teams that know they can’t sign Bergman or Adames and will be happy to roll the dice to upgrade their IF. 

I personally wouldn’t want to acquire Bohm and trade him later though. Too much risk of him not performing. Has to be a 3 team deal. 

[hi8is]

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Poop.

Ban him.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

And yet his overall 3.5 fWAR on the season would have exceeded the entire Sox offense...and we are picking apart all his numerous flaws here.  

I'm not sure what your point is. Bohm is being floated by some as a possible "headliner" for Crochet. So, yes, he is going to be broken down as a return piece. 

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm not sure what your point is. Bohm is being floated by some as a possible "headliner" for Crochet. So, yes, he is going to be broken down as a return piece. 

Not even Getz is that dumb...Lux and Bohm would have to excel with the Sox AND be traded at the 2024 deadline for even more prospects that undoubtedly would be at least 2-3 years away.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

20 hours ago, WestEddy said:

I'm not sure what your point is. Bohm is being floated by some as a possible "headliner" for Crochet. So, yes, he is going to be broken down as a return piece. 

Headliner? Wtf, who said that? Third piece fine.

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Headliner? Wtf, who said that? Third piece fine.

Okay, "headliner" is inaccurate. A significant piece. If Philadelphia is pushing Bohm, then Sox fans are going to take a hard, critical look at Bohm. That's great he put up numbers in the first 4 months. He turned into a pumpkin after the TDL. I'll leave the "we should be honored to even be offered Bohm" takes to Caulfield. 

This talk has most likely been long rendered moot, at this point. Bohm was probably floated once as a piece, Getz said, "whaddya, nuts?!?", and it was over. 

[WhiteSox2023]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Okay, "headliner" is inaccurate. A significant piece. If Philadelphia is pushing Bohm, then Sox fans are going to take a hard, critical look at Bohm. That's great he put up numbers in the first 4 months. He turned into a pumpkin after the TDL. I'll leave the "we should be honored to even be offered Bohm" takes to Caulfield. 

This talk has most likely been long rendered moot, at this point. Bohm was probably floated once as a piece, Getz said, "whaddya, nuts?!?", and it was over. 

Bohm’s value might be high enough after his past two seasons of production and with two seasons remaining, that it might not be worth the risk of seeing if he performs even better with the Sox and just flip him immediately.  The idea of another NL player coming to the Sox and forgetting how to hit frightens me.

But I agree with your second paragraph and that if the Phillies had any notion of Bohm being a headliner or second piece to a Crochet offer, they are nuts.

Edited Friday at 08:02 PM by WhiteSox2023

[caulfield12]

44 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Okay, "headliner" is inaccurate. A significant piece. If Philadelphia is pushing Bohm, then Sox fans are going to take a hard, critical look at Bohm. That's great he put up numbers in the first 4 months. He turned into a pumpkin after the TDL. I'll leave the "we should be honored to even be offered Bohm" takes to Caulfield. 

This talk has most likely been long rendered moot, at this point. Bohm was probably floated once as a piece, Getz said, "whaddya, nuts?!?", and it was over. 

Why would we want Bohm when we already have Ramos/Vargas?

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Okay, "headliner" is inaccurate. A significant piece. If Philadelphia is pushing Bohm, then Sox fans are going to take a hard, critical look at Bohm. That's great he put up numbers in the first 4 months. He turned into a pumpkin after the TDL. I'll leave the "we should be honored to even be offered Bohm" takes to Caulfield. 

This talk has most likely been long rendered moot, at this point. Bohm was probably floated once as a piece, Getz said, "whaddya, nuts?!?", and it was over. 

I’d take Bohm over Zavala and Steven Wilson as 3rd/4th pieces in a trade because I think they could flip Bohm for better pieces than Zavala and Wilson

[SoCalChiSox]

What would be ideal is if we did the Crochet deal to BOS for Montgomery (RF) and Campbell (2B) and moved Robert to PHI for Crawford (CF).

 

[WestEddy]

7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Why would we want Bohm when we already have Ramos/Vargas?

Perhaps you should be calling Dave Dombrowski and asking him this. I haven't been in favor of acquiring Bohm. Perhaps you should be answer your own question. Why are you floating Bohm as a target?

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Perhaps you should be calling Dave Dombrowski and asking him this. I haven't been in favor of acquiring Bohm. Perhaps you should be answer your own question. Why are you floating Bohm as a target?

Some Phillies websites have speculated on this after being disappointed by his end of season performance.

He would then be replaced by a Bregman signing.

[greg775]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:02 AM, ChiSox59 said:

Why am I retaining him?  Because his career fWAR/162 is 4.35 - including his god awful 2024 and other long stretches where he hasn't look like a big leaguer. He is just reaching his prime years.  He's unlikely to ever give you 145+ games, but he doesn't need to do that to easily be worth $20M in today's game. He's a game changing talent that is obviously extremely streaky, but if the streak comes early in 2025 (or 26), we're sitting on the most sought after position player at the deadline.  And if you want to assume Robert just is what he is, he's still a very good CF with a lot of pop, and the ability to carry a team for weeks if he gets hot.  On an actual contender with legitimate protection around him, I am certain he would be much closer to the 23 version than 24. 

Just based on his performance I would NEVER give this guy 20 mill a year. Never. He has much to prove.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Some Phillies websites have speculated on this after being disappointed by his end of season performance.

He would then be replaced by a Bregman signing.

It's not only that - he's worn out his welcome. I have a friend with some decent ties to Philly and had been telling me all season they want him gone. Remember, he was the guy who was caught on camera two years ago saying "I fucking hate this place" at a Phillies home game. I guess it didn't exactly stop there, but now since he actually showed some signs of struggles in the second half they want him out of the clubhouse.

[caulfield12]

6 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

It's not only that - he's worn out his welcome. I have a friend with some decent ties to Philly and had been telling me all season they want him gone. Remember, he was the guy who was caught on camera two years ago saying "I fucking hate this place" at a Phillies home game. I guess it didn't exactly stop there, but now since he actually showed some signs of struggles in the second half they want him out of the clubhouse.

I remember the last time we supposedly had leverage to acquire a pitcher that even the owner wanted gone.

His name was Big Game James Shields.

[wrathofhahn]

The Sox are hopeless the time to trade him was last offseason when he had his best year. He is going to be worth a fraction of his actual value right now.

We did the same thing with Cease traded him the offseason coming off a down year for scraps and watched him almost win a cy young. How about we hold onto Robert until he is playing well then move him.

We can ask for top prospects all we want I take no solace in that because our track record is to give into the market after shopping a player and the market for a season Robert is coming off of is going to be nowhere near what it should be.

Prove me wrong Getz

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, wrathofhahn said:

The Sox are hopeless the time to trade him was last offseason when he had his best year. He is going to be worth a fraction of his actual value right now.

We did the same thing with Cease traded him the offseason coming off a down year for scraps and watched him almost win a cy young. How about we hold onto Robert until he is playing well then move him.

We can ask for top prospects all we want I take no solace in that because our track record is to give into the market after shopping a player and the market for a season Robert is coming off of is going to be nowhere near what it should be.

Prove me wrong Getz

Sure, but at Robert's peak, Chris Getz thought he could add utility guys to the roster and fix things.