Rusty_Kuntz Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 6:11 AM, Boopa1219 said: The Sox should prioritize bats, but they are so far away from contention that I don’t get trading for specific positions. They need all the talent they can get, especially now. Expand Just said what I would prefer, not that they should trade for a specific position. I do think if they trade Robert it will be for a primary prospect who they think will play up the middle, though, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/15/2024 at 10:05 PM, oldsox said: Phillies. Expand Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 12:57 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Crawford is an athlete right now who doesn’t run great routes and hits a lot of grounders, but also has great tools and held his own as a 20 year old in AA. He is still a work in progress, but I personally think the upside is worst the risk. Expand Something is telling me the White Sox aren’t the organization that will teach him the things he needs to work on. Besides, if he’s taking bad routes, I don’t know how that is fixable. Going after balls is mostly instinct. If it isn’t there, it isn’t there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 The #Yankees have checked in with the #WhiteSox on CF Luis Robert Jr’s availability as a backup plan to Cody Bellinger. The Yankees are looking for an option to play Centerfield to allow Aaron Judge to go back to rightfield next season — Bartolo's Colonoscopy (@lakeview487) December 16, 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 5:40 PM, WestEddy said: Expand Don't really like them as a trade partner but can't hurt to have them in the mix I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 5:58 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Don't really like them as a trade partner but can't hurt to have them in the mix I guess. Expand Anything that makes the Reds panic and throw in their 2025 competitive balance draft pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 6:30 PM, WestEddy said: Anything that makes the Reds panic and throw in their 2025 competitive balance draft pick. Expand Arroya Sirota (don't know much about him, just have seen his name tossed around here) Lesser pitcher Competitive Balance Pick Would people take this deal right now for Robert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 6:37 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Arroya Sirota (don't know much about him, just have seen his name tossed around here) Lesser pitcher Competitive Balance Pick Would people take this deal right now for Robert? Expand That just seems like a major overpay by the Reds. I would think Arroyo straight up is closer to reality, imo. Reds fans are more in line with your proposal though, which is good to see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 7:12 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: That just seems like a major overpay by the Reds. I would think Arroyo straight up is closer to reality, imo. Reds fans are more in line with your proposal though, which is good to see. Expand Yeah it probably is a bit of an overpay right now. It's their #3, #14, and the pitcher could even be outside of their top 30 for all I care. Or no 4th piece needed if you get those first 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 7:14 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah it probably is a bit of an overpay right now. It's their #3, #14, and the pitcher could even be outside of their top 30 for all I care. Or no 4th piece needed if you get those first 3. Expand I think Getz wants that draft pick. And what we're thinking is too much, just listening to the FutureSox podcast, they brought up there's not many pure CFs on the market, so as Santander and Bellinger shake out, somebody might wind up on the outside looking in, and pull the trigger at close to the price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 1:47 PM, Dick Allen said: Something is telling me the White Sox aren’t the organization that will teach him the things he needs to work on. Besides, if he’s taking bad routes, I don’t know how that is fixable. Going after balls is mostly instinct. If it isn’t there, it isn’t there. Expand If you have to think, you are already half a step behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 16, 2024 Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 8:43 PM, striker said: Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value. Expand The smart play is to hold onto him and hope he has a great an injury free first half. The problem is the guy has done nothing but let me down, so I don't know if I think it's possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 7:22 PM, WestEddy said: I think Getz wants that draft pick. And what we're thinking is too much, just listening to the FutureSox podcast, they brought up there's not many pure CFs on the market, so as Santander and Bellinger shake out, somebody might wind up on the outside looking in, and pull the trigger at close to the price tag. Expand Bellinger is the CFer there...definitely not Santander. He would push Judge back to RF in NY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 11:07 AM, Rusty_Kuntz said: Just said what I would prefer, not that they should trade for a specific position. I do think if they trade Robert it will be for a primary prospect who they think will play up the middle, though, Expand That seems to be the MO of Getz and this rebuild, he’s doing the classic up the middle approach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 8:43 PM, striker said: Seems like Sox fans are down on Robert and would rather sell low. BTV has him around $13m in surplus (less then 3war/season). The prospects you get at that level would be pretty risky imo. If you hold onto him for the first half and he tears it up, then his surplus could almost triple. 4war would be $80 in value over 2.5 years with about $47.5m in cost. Its a contract year for him so I would hold at $13m in surplus value. Expand Getz already said he isn't going to give him away just because of last year so I doubt he will accept 13m SV for him. He seemed to suggest it was "refreshing" that other GMs seemed to agree that he had more value than just recent results. Interestingly, Arroyo from the Reds and Petty from the Reds both have around 13m SV each, so thats around 26-27 combined, I think most of us would take those two for Robert for sure, especially if our scouts believe Arroyo can not just stick at SS but be above average there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/16/2024 at 5:40 PM, WestEddy said: The #Yankees have checked in with the #WhiteSox on CF Luis Robert Jr’s availability as a backup plan to Cody Bellinger. The Yankees are looking for an option to play Centerfield to allow Aaron Judge to go back to rightfield next season — Bartolo's Colonoscopy (@lakeview487) December 16, 2024 Expand Robert would look good in a Yankees uni. And...IF he is healthy, I bet would have a monster season with the protection in that lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 I like the Mets as a trade partner. They need a cf and a bat to protect Soto. They have a lot good not great prospects, most of which are blocked. Williams, Baty, Acuna, Maricio, Gilbert, Clifford, Rodriguez, Benge. Give me three of them and call it good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 Three? They can't find anyone willing to offer up one legit player. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 Oof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:09 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Three? They can't find anyone willing to offer up one legit player. Expand Ugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:09 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Three? They can't find anyone willing to offer up one legit player. Expand Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:26 PM, almagest said: Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here. Expand I agree, although it’s a bit concerning that he will once again have no protection at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:29 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I agree, although it’s a bit concerning that he will once again have no protection at all. Expand That definitely doesn't help him, but his approach and health are bigger problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:26 PM, almagest said: Then they need to hang onto him and hope he can recover enough value to get something at the deadline. If not... oh well. He'll take the Moncada route out of here. Expand Or he'll go the Dylan Cease route - he'll rake for a few weeks in ST, then somebody's CF will get injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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