Texsox Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 So it seems that Getz keeps asking for more than what our guys are reasonably worth. How long until he gets into the same groove as everyone before him? Ask for what they are worth, settle for less than what they are worth, and move on? Other teams can get away with it and sometimes come out clear winners in trades, but that's not us. We lose trades. That's our DNA. So stop the nonsense and do the job we expect from you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 The asking for high returns is similar to what we got last winter about Cease. Other GMs won't offer anything near what Getz is supposedly asking, and when Getz gets deperate he will accept a lower return because Crochet and probably Robert will be gone before Spring Training or at the latest by opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, Chimpton said: The asking for high returns is similar to what we got last winter about Cease. Other GMs won't offer anything near what Getz is supposedly asking, and when Getz gets deperate he will accept a lower return because Crochet and probably Robert will be gone before Spring Training or at the latest by opening day. Exactly. So instead of getting desperate, just start with a lower asking price, take less and move on. Better than getting desperate after starting too high. That's what we've always done and it resulted in a world series win and multiple playoff appearances this decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 30 minutes ago, Texsox said: Exactly. So instead of getting desperate, just start with a lower asking price, take less and move on. Better than getting desperate after starting too high. That's what we've always done and it resulted in a world series win and multiple playoff appearances this decade. The high asking price is to try and fool us into thinking he is a hard negotiator, but all the the other GMs know he will fold. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 54 minutes ago, Texsox said: Exactly. So instead of getting desperate, just start with a lower asking price, take less and move on. Better than getting desperate after starting too high. That's what we've always done and it resulted in a world series win and multiple playoff appearances this decade. All the talk is what a big return Cease or Fedde will require and then we end up with a mediocre to bad return. So Getz does shoot for the stars and talks a big game but then does end up accepting a lower offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 27 minutes ago, Chimpton said: The high asking price is to try and fool us into thinking he is a hard negotiator, but all the the other GMs know he will fold. There it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I think you’re underestimating Getz’s ability to start off with an already low asking price and still end up with a return even less than that. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Crochet and Robert are both relatively cheap. There is no reason to trade them unless blown away. Seems obvious to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 30 minutes ago, Snopek said: I think you’re underestimating Getz’s ability to start off with an already low asking price and still end up with a return even less than that. If that were true then it wouldn’t have taken until March for Cease to move last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: All the talk is what a big return Cease or Fedde will require and then we end up with a mediocre to bad return. So Getz does shoot for the stars and talks a big game but then does end up accepting a lower offer. Exactly. A lower offer than if he started lower. Start lower and he will finish higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 hours ago, Texsox said: Exactly. So instead of getting desperate, just start with a lower asking price, take less and move on. Better than getting desperate after starting too high. That's what we've always done and it resulted in a world series win and multiple playoff appearances this decade. "My Black Friday email blast to all the other GMs is set to go out Wednesday afternoon.....there will be some incredible bargains" 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 hours ago, Chimpton said: The high asking price is to try and fool us into thinking he is a hard negotiator, but all the the other GMs know he will fold. I really don't think Chris Getz (and by extension, JR) give a s%*# about what we think. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 "How Long Until Chris Getz Real?" A truly missed opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 3 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I really don't think Chris Getz (and by extension, JR) give a s%*# about what we think. Bullplop. Have you seen the army of people pushing positive leaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 13 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If that were true then it wouldn’t have taken until March for Cease to move last year. I’m not following. All I’m saying is it’s kind of wild to assume that starting off with an already low asking price will result in a quicker resolution and/or higher return. I think the standard process would still play out. Getz has yet to show enough in trades that would lead me to believe this strategy would work out in his favor. What am I missing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 12 minutes ago, Snopek said: I’m not following. All I’m saying is it’s kind of wild to assume that starting off with an already low asking price will result in a quicker resolution and/or higher return. I think the standard process would still play out. Getz has yet to show enough in trades that would lead me to believe this strategy would work out in his favor. What am I missing here? It's more about finding the sweet spot that generates interest. If the convo starts off "I want your top 4 hitters for Robert", they might decide to spend their time talking to another team about a lesser, more reliable CF. If an extended negotiation for Crochet is centering around Crawford and Bohm, I can't imagine Getz is starting talks for Robert much above that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It's more about finding the sweet spot that generates interest. If the convo starts off "I want your top 4 hitters for Robert", they might decide to spend their time talking to another team about a lesser, more reliable CF. If an extended negotiation for Crochet is centering around Crawford and Bohm, I can't imagine Getz is starting talks for Robert much above that. Why do they want Bohm to rent for just two years again? Just to turn around and try to flip him? They (Phillies) could look to shake things up this offseason by trading Alec Bohm. Bohm is "on the trade block," according to ESPN's Jeff Passan, and could be dealt to add a superstar (yeah, sure!). USA Today's Bob Nightengale noted that if the Phillies trade him, they could sign Astros star Alex Bregman to replace him. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/philadelphia-phillies/news/phillies-could-dump-alec-bohm-and-sign-alex-bregman-replace-him-astros-mlb-news/aa30cf2dac8416858a4e7aaf Edited November 26 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why do they want Bohm to rent for just two years again? Just to turn around and try to flip him? They (Phillies) could look to shake things up this offseason by trading Alec Bohm. Bohm is "on the trade block," according to ESPN's Jeff Passan, and could be dealt to add a superstar (yeah, sure!). USA Today's Bob Nightengale noted that if the Phillies trade him, they could sign Astros star Alex Bregman to replace him. https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/philadelphia-phillies/news/phillies-could-dump-alec-bohm-and-sign-alex-bregman-replace-him-astros-mlb-news/aa30cf2dac8416858a4e7aaf I haven't seen anything that indicates the White Sox "want" Bohm. It sounds like he was pitched to the White Sox, and Getz balked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 53 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Bullplop. Have you seen the army of people pushing positive leaks? The "leaks" that a lot of teams would like to have Garrett Crochet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, wegner said: "My Black Friday email blast to all the other GMs is set to go out Wednesday afternoon.....there will be some incredible bargains" Ready to put the Black into Black Sox! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 52 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: The "leaks" that a lot of teams would like to have Garrett Crochet? The ones that staff members from other teams are lining up to work with Chris Getz would count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: It's more about finding the sweet spot that generates interest. If the convo starts off "I want your top 4 hitters for Robert", they might decide to spend their time talking to another team about a lesser, more reliable CF. If an extended negotiation for Crochet is centering around Crawford and Bohm, I can't imagine Getz is starting talks for Robert much above that. Or here's what we're prepared to offer . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 (edited) 11 hours ago, Texsox said: So it seems that Getz keeps asking for more than what our guys are reasonably worth. How long until he gets into the same groove as everyone before him? Ask for what they are worth, settle for less than what they are worth, and move on? Other teams can get away with it and sometimes come out clear winners in trades, but that's not us. We lose trades. That's our DNA. So stop the nonsense and do the job we expect from you. We have a dolt as GM who is in way over his head and doesn’t have a clue with the team more than likely on the way to another 100+ loss season. I’ve been a fan since 1952 but have just about had enough and if I don’t see any kind movement this off season to improve the team, sad to say I’m done. Edited November 26 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 and stops being polite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 I'm very confused why people are so upset that the GM has a higher asking price than what he will get on November 26th. You'd be losing your mind if he accepted some offer you deem bad right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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