Quin Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 24 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Just listened to Garfien’s podcast with Gene Watson. Scary thing is Sox scouting still really believes in Vargas. He and Colson are the only players Watson mentions as core guys. He seems a little less convicted on Quero. Well duh. Rick Hahn acquired Quero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 38 minutes ago, Quin said: Well duh. Rick Hahn acquired Quero. It's difficult to keep secrets on any sport. They perform in public. Their stats are published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: Just listened to Garfien’s podcast with Gene Watson. Scary thing is Sox scouting still really believes in Vargas. He and Colson are the only players Watson mentions as core guys. He seems a little less convicted on Quero. No mention of Ramos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 4 hours ago, nrockway said: Yes. It shouldn't even be a choice. It should be like every other sport. Why should we have faith that the team owner is going to 'do the right thing'? He should be compelled to 'do the right thing' and one team shouldn't be able to sign every single good free agent. The Dodgers are such an overrated team. When was the last time they actually produced a homegrown player that's any good? Miguel Vargas? Michael Busch? Pages? Lux? The only guys on their playoff roster that they can be credited for 'developing' weren't very good. It's easier to win at baseball when you can pay unlimited money to every superstar in the league. It isn't the 'only' thing, you can certainly win without spending a ton of money, so why isn't it a rule that every team has to spend within the same window? It objectively produces a non-competitive environment. It's the worst thing about professional baseball honestly. Drafting Buehler probably...May, a whole host of young pitchers before their injuries. Urias before his DV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 46 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: No mention of Ramos? I don't think he really has a high enough ceiling. Would love to see him play 3B all next year to find out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 Another mini example is the Royals out spending the entire AL Central on FA and the Witt extension and going from 106 losses to the post season thanks partly to the White Sox historical ineptitude. And already doing so again by tearing up the Wacha contract...a pitcher along with Lugo that nearly any team in baseball could have "reasonably" signed a year ago. If your spending limit is $15/2 years you're no longer even in the FA game, you have to develop all your pitching through draft/development and Latin America or Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/blake-snell-contract-how-deferrals-signing-bonus-give-dodgers-even-more-money-to-improve/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 27 Author Share Posted November 27 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/blake-snell-contract-how-deferrals-signing-bonus-give-dodgers-even-more-money-to-improve/ Wow...financial creativity and vision! Of course, it hasn't worked quite so well for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Wow...financial creativity and vision! Of course, it hasn't worked quite so well for Chelsea. They are running laps around the entire league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 2 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: They are running laps around the entire league. The White Sox haven't even started crawling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 Joke’s on them. What happens when you throw someone out a basement window? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 Regardless of the creative accounting, isn’t this really bad money for Blake Snell? Comparing Dodgers pitchers….Glasnow out pitched Snell last year according to Fangraphs, Snell will have signed his deal while about a year and a half older than Glasnow, Snell has been healthier but pretty inconsistent up through 2023, but he’s getting something like 33% more money than Glasnow. And yeah Glasbow had 1 year remaining before FA when he signed but that’s such a big money boost. This feels like spending just to spend. I wouldn’t want this deal on any other team/ If it wasn’t for one truly unique player I’d start comparing them to the mid-2000s Yankees where they blew everyone else out of the water with contracts given to guys based on reputation and then couldn’t get out of the Wild Card round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 28 Author Share Posted November 28 33 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Regardless of the creative accounting, isn’t this really bad money for Blake Snell? Comparing Dodgers pitchers….Glasnow out pitched Snell last year according to Fangraphs, Snell will have signed his deal while about a year and a half older than Glasnow, Snell has been healthier but pretty inconsistent up through 2023, but he’s getting something like 33% more money than Glasnow. And yeah Glasbow had 1 year remaining before FA when he signed but that’s such a big money boost. This feels like spending just to spend. I wouldn’t want this deal on any other team/ If it wasn’t for one truly unique player I’d start comparing them to the mid-2000s Yankees where they blew everyone else out of the water with contracts given to guys based on reputation and then couldn’t get out of the Wild Card round. If those teams had two other MVPs in Betts and Freeman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 39 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If those teams had two other MVPs in Betts and Freeman... Like how those Yankee teams had Jeter and ARod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 09:07 AM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:07 AM 4 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Like how those Yankee teams had Jeter and ARod? LAD have four HoFers though...if you include Kershaw. Those Yankees' teams had Bernie Williams O'Neill Pettite and Posada as their secondary pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted Thursday at 03:41 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:41 PM Dodgers are the new Yankees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 04:11 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 04:11 PM 31 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Dodgers are the new Yankees https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/rob-parker-the-dodgers-are-the-new-evil-empire-of-baseball/ar-AA1uSUv5?ocid=BingNewsSerp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Thursday at 05:08 PM Share Posted Thursday at 05:08 PM 8 hours ago, caulfield12 said: LAD have four HoFers though...if you include Kershaw. Those Yankees' teams had Bernie Williams O'Neill Pettite and Posada as their secondary pieces. Mariano Rivera is going to break your bat for this omission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted Thursday at 06:12 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:12 PM This is one of the worst topic Titles I have ever seen. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Thursday at 07:01 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:01 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Mariano Rivera is going to break your bat for this omission. And Mussina. Then they had hof caliber players like Cano, Sheffield and Abreu as well Edited Thursday at 07:03 PM by 46DidIt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 09:44 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:44 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, 46DidIt said: And Mussina. Then they had hof caliber players like Cano, Sheffield and Abreu as well Bobby Abreu was in his prime years with the Yankees? What next, Hideki Matsui? I think the hype over Matsumoto trumps him now... And I thought we were talking about the mid to late 90s Yankees dynasty, not 2009 as a singular year? Sheffield was more of a complimentary player like a Max Muncy by that point in his career. And Kenley Jansen likely makes the HoF, although he was nowhere close to Mo Rivera as a closer. It's going to always be hard to compare because of the shadow of steroids over that generation...Giambi later, Sheffield, rumors about Cano, etc. Will concede Mussina and Mo, though. Lets not forget the ability to add Max Scherzer Trea Turner and Manny Machado for LAD...we will keep going round and round in circles. Edited Thursday at 09:51 PM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 09:52 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:52 PM 3 hours ago, KipWellsFan said: This is one of the worst topic Titles I have ever seen. You're welcome! The White Sox, worst team I have ever seen, kinda deserve it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted Thursday at 11:21 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:21 PM A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 11:29 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 11:29 PM 8 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. Remember...White Sox revenue sharing is not enough to make much of a difference despite operating like a small market team in a big media center. “My ultimate, kind of big-picture goal is that when we are done, that we're able to look back and say that was the golden era of Dodger baseball, and that is an incredibly high bar to even say that,” Friedman said. “That's where my focus is.” A week later, Friedman’s Dodgers were World Series champions for the first time in a full season since 1988. At some point in the jubilant aftermath, it surely crossed his mind that no MLB team has won back-to-back World Series since the Yankees in 1999-2000. Less than a month after raising that golden trophy, Friedman signaled that his Dodgers are determined to end that streak." yahoo.com/sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 11:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:30 PM 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Bobby Abreu was in his prime years with the Yankees? What next, Hideki Matsui? I think the hype over Matsumoto trumps him now... And I thought we were talking about the mid to late 90s Yankees dynasty, not 2009 as a singular year? Sheffield was more of a complimentary player like a Max Muncy by that point in his career. And Kenley Jansen likely makes the HoF, although he was nowhere close to Mo Rivera as a closer. It's going to always be hard to compare because of the shadow of steroids over that generation...Giambi later, Sheffield, rumors about Cano, etc. Will concede Mussina and Mo, though. Lets not forget the ability to add Max Scherzer Trea Turner and Manny Machado for LAD...we will keep going round and round in circles. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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