Dodgers defenestrating Sox, Snell signs 5 years, $182 million

[WhiteSox2023]

@caulfield12, you spelled “defecating” wrong.  🤣

[Lip Man 1]

4 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. 

All true and a salary floor won't stop a bad organization say from overpaying a good player tying up a large portion of the floor and then go out and get 24 other minimum wage deadbeats and stiffs.  

[caulfield12]

Kind of what the Pirates are doing with Reynolds and Hayes and perhaps Cruz eventually...although the results have been disappointing overall at 3B for such an early big $$ (for Pitt) extension. Still young and worlds of potential but the bat has been totally hit and miss.

They made a similar mistake with Polanco in RF, though...instead of keeping Marte/McCutcheon in their primes.

 

Edited November 29 by caulfield12

[WhiteSox2023]

The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi.

Sh1t money to the Dodgers.  Highest contract ever to the Sox.  LOL.

 

Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023

[chw42]

31 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi.

Sh1t money to the Dodgers.  Highest contract ever to the Sox.  LOL.

 

Of course we trade Edman and Kopech to the Dodgers for straight trash and they end up being major pieces to a World Series team.

[Quin]

On 11/29/2024 at 5:19 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi.

Sh1t money to the Dodgers.  Highest contract ever to the Sox.  LOL.

 

I mean, let's give Getz credit: He did acquire a NLCS* MVP SS worth the largest contract in team history for Fedde and Pham.

*Typed World Series, not NLCS

[caulfield12]

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/los-angeles-dodgers/

7 contracts currently on the books for $74 million or more.

Just eyeballing it...almost $2 billion in contracts for 7 biggest deals, and that's with Kershaw and Buehler off the books.

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, Quin said:

I mean, let's give Getz credit: He did acquire a World Series MVP SS worth the largest contract in team history for Fedde and Pham.

Kind of like how Hahn took credit for Tatis signing one of the biggest extensions in history with SD, which would now seem just like an average upper tier salary for LA.

So we are excellent at finding or developing talent for other organizations at least.

Crochet and Robert will join a LONG list of names from Sox lore.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi.

Sh1t money to the Dodgers.  Highest contract ever to the Sox.  LOL.

 

That’s going to be a bad deal.

[Tnetennba]

31 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

That’s going to be a bad deal.

Agree. Good pay day for Edman, but it seems like a massive overpay.

[wrathofhahn]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

That’s going to be a bad deal.

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds

Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

 

[Quin]

16 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said:

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds

Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

 

The Dodgers are the New York Yankees of baseball with the way they make money.

For the uninitiated:   

 

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

That’s going to be a bad deal.

Yes, it is.  But it just goes to show that what we as Sox fans think is a horrible bloated contract is absolute jack sh1t to a real contending team like the Dodgers.  A bad deal to the Dodgers means nothing.

Jerry is a bum and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

Edited November 30 by WhiteSox2023

[wrathofhahn]

9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yes, it is.  But it just goes to show that what we as Sox fans think is a horrible bloated contract is absolute jack sh1t to a real contending team like the Dodgers.  A bad deal to the Dodgers means nothing.

Jerry is a bum and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys.

Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now

[Chicago White Sox]

10 hours ago, wrathofhahn said:

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds

Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

 

He played in 37 games bro.

[wrathofhahn]

10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He played in 37 games bro.

He was mediocre in 2023 too where he played 137 games and had an OPS+ of 91 2.1 WAR.

They gave him the Eckstein treatment and vastly overpaid because he got hot in the playoffs. Which they can afford to do because they are the dodgers.

Edited November 30 by wrathofhahn

[Bob Sacamano]

I feel like those kind of overpay contracts are worse than the Star players getting overpaid. 

[caulfield12]

“That move pushed the Dodgers’ estimated luxury tax payroll for next season to about $305 million, according to Cot’s Baseball Contract, which would have surpassed MLB’s highest threshold for tax penalties. Yet it didn’t stop the big-spending Dodgers from continuing to act aggressively.

One month removed from their World Series championship, they’re already maneuvering to try to win again.“

latimes.com/sports

[nrockway]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:43 AM, caulfield12 said:

Not quite the correct usage but the history teacher in our school was just using it in class so I decided to incorporate a new word of the week.

does your history teacher enjoy reading David Brooks and does he dislike the meritocracy? my dad sent me some article that Brooks wrote a couple weeks ago, one line reads, " [such and such] led to the defenestration of multiple Ivy League presidents", so naturally my first instinct is to tell SoxTalk.

[46DidIt]

On 11/29/2024 at 8:36 PM, wrathofhahn said:

It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds

Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year.

 

In 137 PA

[46DidIt]

Edman’s career WAR per 162 is 4.6 which is similar to Robert

[nrockway]

3 hours ago, 46DidIt said:

Edman’s career WAR per 162 is 4.6 which is similar to Robert

I was surprised by this. He had a 6.2 WAR season in 2022 while OPSing .725, his best season by far. I think that season's doing the heavy lifting, and I'm skeptical about how 'defensive' WAR is calculated. He played a ton of SS that year and was apparently a positive defender.

I think the WAR calculation for shortstops is screwed up or otherwise that the defensive positional adjustment doesn't reflect reality particularly well. Guys can rack up WAR just by being penciled in at SS, meanwhile nobody really knows how to quantify a good catcher performance. Fangraphs tries to integrate 'framing' into their WAR calculation, but then Yasmani Groundball is suddenly in Hall of Fame discussion and has apparently produced twice as much WAR as Salvador Perez. Has Grandal been twice as good as Salvy over their respective careers? I don't think so, I'm not sure any baseball fan would even think that Grandal had a better career. I'm not sure the statistical analysis is revealing some hidden truth, I just think it's wrong. It should be validated, maybe I'm a moron and Groundball was actually that good. The comparison looks much different if you use baseball-reference's WAR calculation (the better one, in my opinion) and I think it's fun that there's still some mystery in baseball, it's just on the defensive or pitching side.

Comparing Edman to Robert, Luis is clearly a better hitter. Statistically and eye test. I don't think it's really an argument. Edman doesn't particularly hit for contact or power. They are both oft-injured, but Tommy was healthier more recently. I think he earned a very nice contract because of his playoff performance; and good for him, he's a nice player and he earned it. But Robert is clearly the better player. I guess Edman plays all over the field and performs reasonably well, but Robert is (I think inarguably) the best defensive center fielder in the league. That guy has some special, built-in, un-teachable talent to know exactly where the ball is going off the bat. He should teach Benetti. He makes difficult plays look easy because he has a special combination of speed and brain. I'd hope Getz and co are selling that point, he's the best defensive player at a premium position who will also hit 35+ bombs for the next 3 years for no money.

It's not a fair comparison is basically my point

[WestEddy]

59 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I was surprised by this. He had a 6.2 WAR season in 2022 while OPSing .725, his best season by far. I think that season's doing the heavy lifting, and I'm skeptical about how 'defensive' WAR is calculated. He played a ton of SS that year and was apparently a positive defender.

I think the WAR calculation for shortstops is screwed up or otherwise that the defensive positional adjustment doesn't reflect reality particularly well. Guys can rack up WAR just by being penciled in at SS, meanwhile nobody really knows how to quantify a good catcher performance. Fangraphs tries to integrate 'framing' into their WAR calculation, but then Yasmani Groundball is suddenly in Hall of Fame discussion and has apparently produced twice as much WAR as Salvador Perez. Has Grandal been twice as good as Salvy over their respective careers? I don't think so, I'm not sure any baseball fan would even think that Grandal had a better career. I'm not sure the statistical analysis is revealing some hidden truth, I just think it's wrong. It should be validated, maybe I'm a moron and Groundball was actually that good. The comparison looks much different if you use baseball-reference's WAR calculation (the better one, in my opinion) and I think it's fun that there's still some mystery in baseball, it's just on the defensive or pitching side.

Comparing Edman to Robert, Luis is clearly a better hitter. Statistically and eye test. I don't think it's really an argument. Edman doesn't particularly hit for contact or power. They are both oft-injured, but Tommy was healthier more recently. I think he earned a very nice contract because of his playoff performance; and good for him, he's a nice player and he earned it. But Robert is clearly the better player. I guess Edman plays all over the field and performs reasonably well, but Robert is (I think inarguably) the best defensive center fielder in the league. That guy has some special, built-in, un-teachable talent to know exactly where the ball is going off the bat. He should teach Benetti. He makes difficult plays look easy because he has a special combination of speed and brain. I'd hope Getz and co are selling that point, he's the best defensive player at a premium position who will also hit 35+ bombs for the next 3 years for no money.

It's not a fair comparison is basically my point

I think the only real catcher "WAR" worth anything is Baseball Prospectus, which one can access for free. There might be somebody else, but Baseball-Pro breaks out framing, the run game and blocking, I think. 

Yeah, Edman seemed locked in during the 22 season, on all sides of the ball. 

[77 Hitmen]

On 11/30/2024 at 5:43 AM, wrathofhahn said:

I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys.

Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now

That's how I feel about it.  Forget competing with the Dodgers, Jerry won't even compete with Cleveland, Minnesota, and Detroit.  

 

[caulfield12]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42760649/dodgers-deferred-payments-top-1-billion-7-players

Meanwhile, the White Sox, if they keep deferring improving the team in any appreciable way via FA might only be worth a valuation of $1 billion over the span of the next five to ten years without a new stadium...