WhiteSox2023 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 @caulfield12, you spelled “defecating” wrong. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 11/28/2024 at 11:21 PM, Tnetennba said: A cap won't make cheap asses like Jerry spend with the Dodgers and Yankees of baseball, and a floor only requires him to spend the bare minimum. So long as he gets to bank free money from revenue sharing with no requirement to spend it on baseball operations or player salaries, little would change. Stopping the richest teams from spending won't stop the billionaires at the other end of the spectrum from choosing not to spend. Expand All true and a salary floor won't stop a bad organization say from overpaying a good player tying up a large portion of the floor and then go out and get 24 other minimum wage deadbeats and stiffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 (edited) Kind of what the Pirates are doing with Reynolds and Hayes and perhaps Cruz eventually...although the results have been disappointing overall at 3B for such an early big $$ (for Pitt) extension. Still young and worlds of potential but the bat has been totally hit and miss. They made a similar mistake with Polanco in RF, though...instead of keeping Marte/McCutcheon in their primes. Edited November 29 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 (edited) The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi. Sh1t money to the Dodgers. Highest contract ever to the Sox. LOL. Edited November 29 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 11/29/2024 at 10:19 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi. Sh1t money to the Dodgers. Highest contract ever to the Sox. LOL. Expand Of course we trade Edman and Kopech to the Dodgers for straight trash and they end up being major pieces to a World Series team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 11/29/2024 at 10:19 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi. Sh1t money to the Dodgers. Highest contract ever to the Sox. LOL. Expand I mean, let's give Getz credit: He did acquire a NLCS* MVP SS worth the largest contract in team history for Fedde and Pham. *Typed World Series, not NLCS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/los-angeles-dodgers/ 7 contracts currently on the books for $74 million or more. Just eyeballing it...almost $2 billion in contracts for 7 biggest deals, and that's with Kershaw and Buehler off the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 On 11/29/2024 at 11:22 PM, Quin said: I mean, let's give Getz credit: He did acquire a World Series MVP SS worth the largest contract in team history for Fedde and Pham. Expand Kind of like how Hahn took credit for Tatis signing one of the biggest extensions in history with SD, which would now seem just like an average upper tier salary for LA. So we are excellent at finding or developing talent for other organizations at least. Crochet and Robert will join a LONG list of names from Sox lore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 On 11/29/2024 at 10:19 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: The Dodgers also just extended Tommy Edman to the same money the Sox gave Benintendi. Sh1t money to the Dodgers. Highest contract ever to the Sox. LOL. Expand That’s going to be a bad deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 On 11/29/2024 at 11:38 PM, Bob Sacamano said: That’s going to be a bad deal. Expand Agree. Good pay day for Edman, but it seems like a massive overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 On 11/29/2024 at 11:38 PM, Bob Sacamano said: That’s going to be a bad deal. Expand It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 On 11/30/2024 at 1:36 AM, wrathofhahn said: It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year. Expand The Dodgers are the New York Yankees of baseball with the way they make money. For the uninitiated: RDT_20241129_205602.mp4Fetching info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 (edited) On 11/29/2024 at 11:38 PM, Bob Sacamano said: That’s going to be a bad deal. Expand Yes, it is. But it just goes to show that what we as Sox fans think is a horrible bloated contract is absolute jack sh1t to a real contending team like the Dodgers. A bad deal to the Dodgers means nothing. Jerry is a bum and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. Edited November 30 by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 On 11/30/2024 at 2:21 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, it is. But it just goes to show that what we as Sox fans think is a horrible bloated contract is absolute jack sh1t to a real contending team like the Dodgers. A bad deal to the Dodgers means nothing. Jerry is a bum and needs to go the way of the dinosaurs. Expand I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys. Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 On 11/30/2024 at 1:36 AM, wrathofhahn said: It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year. Expand He played in 37 games bro. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 (edited) On 11/30/2024 at 12:25 PM, Chicago White Sox said: He played in 37 games bro. Expand He was mediocre in 2023 too where he played 137 games and had an OPS+ of 91 2.1 WAR. They gave him the Eckstein treatment and vastly overpaid because he got hot in the playoffs. Which they can afford to do because they are the dodgers. Edited November 30 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 I feel like those kind of overpay contracts are worse than the Star players getting overpaid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 1 Author Share Posted December 1 “That move pushed the Dodgers’ estimated luxury tax payroll for next season to about $305 million, according to Cot’s Baseball Contract, which would have surpassed MLB’s highest threshold for tax penalties. Yet it didn’t stop the big-spending Dodgers from continuing to act aggressively. One month removed from their World Series championship, they’re already maneuvering to try to win again.“ latimes.com/sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 On 11/27/2024 at 2:43 PM, caulfield12 said: Not quite the correct usage but the history teacher in our school was just using it in class so I decided to incorporate a new word of the week. Expand does your history teacher enjoy reading David Brooks and does he dislike the meritocracy? my dad sent me some article that Brooks wrote a couple weeks ago, one line reads, " [such and such] led to the defenestration of multiple Ivy League presidents", so naturally my first instinct is to tell SoxTalk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 On 11/30/2024 at 1:36 AM, wrathofhahn said: It's already a bad deal but the dodgers don't care because they print money faster than the feds Baseball wise he was .9 war player last year. Expand In 137 PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Edman’s career WAR per 162 is 4.6 which is similar to Robert 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 On 12/1/2024 at 7:47 PM, 46DidIt said: Edman’s career WAR per 162 is 4.6 which is similar to Robert Expand I was surprised by this. He had a 6.2 WAR season in 2022 while OPSing .725, his best season by far. I think that season's doing the heavy lifting, and I'm skeptical about how 'defensive' WAR is calculated. He played a ton of SS that year and was apparently a positive defender. I think the WAR calculation for shortstops is screwed up or otherwise that the defensive positional adjustment doesn't reflect reality particularly well. Guys can rack up WAR just by being penciled in at SS, meanwhile nobody really knows how to quantify a good catcher performance. Fangraphs tries to integrate 'framing' into their WAR calculation, but then Yasmani Groundball is suddenly in Hall of Fame discussion and has apparently produced twice as much WAR as Salvador Perez. Has Grandal been twice as good as Salvy over their respective careers? I don't think so, I'm not sure any baseball fan would even think that Grandal had a better career. I'm not sure the statistical analysis is revealing some hidden truth, I just think it's wrong. It should be validated, maybe I'm a moron and Groundball was actually that good. The comparison looks much different if you use baseball-reference's WAR calculation (the better one, in my opinion) and I think it's fun that there's still some mystery in baseball, it's just on the defensive or pitching side. Comparing Edman to Robert, Luis is clearly a better hitter. Statistically and eye test. I don't think it's really an argument. Edman doesn't particularly hit for contact or power. They are both oft-injured, but Tommy was healthier more recently. I think he earned a very nice contract because of his playoff performance; and good for him, he's a nice player and he earned it. But Robert is clearly the better player. I guess Edman plays all over the field and performs reasonably well, but Robert is (I think inarguably) the best defensive center fielder in the league. That guy has some special, built-in, un-teachable talent to know exactly where the ball is going off the bat. He should teach Benetti. He makes difficult plays look easy because he has a special combination of speed and brain. I'd hope Getz and co are selling that point, he's the best defensive player at a premium position who will also hit 35+ bombs for the next 3 years for no money. It's not a fair comparison is basically my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 On 12/1/2024 at 11:45 PM, nrockway said: I was surprised by this. He had a 6.2 WAR season in 2022 while OPSing .725, his best season by far. I think that season's doing the heavy lifting, and I'm skeptical about how 'defensive' WAR is calculated. He played a ton of SS that year and was apparently a positive defender. I think the WAR calculation for shortstops is screwed up or otherwise that the defensive positional adjustment doesn't reflect reality particularly well. Guys can rack up WAR just by being penciled in at SS, meanwhile nobody really knows how to quantify a good catcher performance. Fangraphs tries to integrate 'framing' into their WAR calculation, but then Yasmani Groundball is suddenly in Hall of Fame discussion and has apparently produced twice as much WAR as Salvador Perez. Has Grandal been twice as good as Salvy over their respective careers? I don't think so, I'm not sure any baseball fan would even think that Grandal had a better career. I'm not sure the statistical analysis is revealing some hidden truth, I just think it's wrong. It should be validated, maybe I'm a moron and Groundball was actually that good. The comparison looks much different if you use baseball-reference's WAR calculation (the better one, in my opinion) and I think it's fun that there's still some mystery in baseball, it's just on the defensive or pitching side. Comparing Edman to Robert, Luis is clearly a better hitter. Statistically and eye test. I don't think it's really an argument. Edman doesn't particularly hit for contact or power. They are both oft-injured, but Tommy was healthier more recently. I think he earned a very nice contract because of his playoff performance; and good for him, he's a nice player and he earned it. But Robert is clearly the better player. I guess Edman plays all over the field and performs reasonably well, but Robert is (I think inarguably) the best defensive center fielder in the league. That guy has some special, built-in, un-teachable talent to know exactly where the ball is going off the bat. He should teach Benetti. He makes difficult plays look easy because he has a special combination of speed and brain. I'd hope Getz and co are selling that point, he's the best defensive player at a premium position who will also hit 35+ bombs for the next 3 years for no money. It's not a fair comparison is basically my point Expand I think the only real catcher "WAR" worth anything is Baseball Prospectus, which one can access for free. There might be somebody else, but Baseball-Pro breaks out framing, the run game and blocking, I think. Yeah, Edman seemed locked in during the 22 season, on all sides of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 On 11/30/2024 at 11:43 AM, wrathofhahn said: I don't expect this team to compete financially with the likes of the dodgers but we can't even get him to spend smartly on scouts, international free agents, and sign reclamation guys. Getz makes trades like we are the dodgers where it doesn't matter how high or low the current value of a player is if we decide to move him he's gone. It's just dumb and sad I have zero hope for this team right now Expand That's how I feel about it. Forget competing with the Dodgers, Jerry won't even compete with Cleveland, Minnesota, and Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3 Author Share Posted December 3 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42760649/dodgers-deferred-payments-top-1-billion-7-players Meanwhile, the White Sox, if they keep deferring improving the team in any appreciable way via FA might only be worth a valuation of $1 billion over the span of the next five to ten years without a new stadium... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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