Severino to A's for 3 years / $67M

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Texsox said:

Why do all the other Sox owners allow that? 

There was an assumption somewhere along the way that the Sox were getting $100 million in revenue sharing...there's no evidence to support that.

[Texsox]

2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The other owners have literally no say, none in the process. It is written into JR's deal that he and he alone is the sole decision maker regarding the franchise operation. 

And as long as the franchise is making money, which I believe they are, why would they complain in the first place?

The comment was he kept all the money for himself. Why would the other owners not get paid as well? 

Was the partnership agreement made public? 

[Texsox]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

There was an assumption somewhere along the way that the Sox were getting $100 million in revenue sharing...there's no evidence to support that.

My reply was to the comment that JR was personally cashing in. That may be true, but if true, it's odd the other owners would allow that. 

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, Texsox said:

My reply was to the comment that JR was personally cashing in. That may be true, but if true, it's odd the other owners would allow that. 

Especially as he only owns 15-25% of the shares/team and Melody Hobbson is closer to 40%.

[WhiteSox2023]

25 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Especially as he only owns 15-25% of the shares/team and Melody Hobbson is closer to 40%.

I don’t believe Mellody Hobson’s percentage of ownership in the White Sox has ever been made public so I’m not sure how you are throwing this out there?

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t believe Mellody Hobson’s percentage of ownership in the White Sox has ever been made public so I’m not sure how you are throwing this out there?

It has been a number of times...like in Crain's.

Widely reported to be around 30-40% of the team.  Hobson is also (reportedly) a partial shares holder with the Denver Broncos.

 

Edited December 8 by caulfield12

[Texsox]

7 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I don’t believe Mellody Hobson’s percentage of ownership in the White Sox has ever been made public so I’m not sure how you are throwing this out there?

Still, for accuracy we shouldn't call JR THE owner. 

[caulfield12]

28 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Still, for accuracy we shouldn't call JR THE owner. 

JR was at 19% in 2021 apparently…as much as 25% by now, likely.

[Texsox]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

JR was at 19% in 2021 apparently…as much as 25% by now, likely.

It seems since Eddie passed on everyone else is a passive investor. 

[southsider2k5]

5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

JR was at 19% in 2021 apparently…as much as 25% by now, likely.

Unless he sold his own shares to make the new sale.

[WestEddy]

On 12/5/2024 at 3:52 PM, caulfield12 said:

They were the only team behind the White Sox in revenues in 2024...and are going into a AAA stadium for at least the next three seasons.

Puts the White Sox plight under the microscope even more, when trading Fedde was also about shedding future salary to an extent.

So Jessie Scholtens...please come back.

Or Flexen.

 

And here's another angle of what I was arguing. The As have to spend because of revenue sharing. They received $70m, so they have to spend above $100m. That's the microscope. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/athletics-risk-mlbpa-grievance-without-further-payroll-increases.html

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That risk of a grievance is due to the fact that A’s will collect 100% of their revenue-sharing dollars in 2025 for the first time under the current collective bargaining agreement. While the team received just 25% of their allotment in 2022, that figured increased to 50% in 2023 and 75% in 2024 before finally reaching 100% in 2025. The issue for the A’s stems from the fact that the CBA requires revenue sharing recipients to spend more than 150% of their revenue sharing money on MLB payroll.

 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

And here's another angle of what I was arguing. The As have to spend because of revenue sharing. They received $70m, so they have to spend above $100m. That's the microscope. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/athletics-risk-mlbpa-grievance-without-further-payroll-increases.html

 

What's your point? That the White Sox have more reasons to be the cheapest franchise in baseball than the A's? Congrats.

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

What's your point? That the White Sox have more reasons to be the cheapest franchise in baseball than the A's? Congrats.

Maybe follow the string? Caulfield was making the point that the Severino signing shames the White Sox because even the As are investing in their team. The appearance is that the As are only spending because they're trying to avoid a grievance. 

The White Sox are in a rebuild. I guess the Sox should have thrown 6/120 at Tauchman so that everyone could rejoice that the Sox finally signed somebody to a contract over $100 million. LOL. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Maybe follow the string? Caulfield was making the point that the Severino signing shames the White Sox because even the As are investing in their team. The appearance is that the As are only spending because they're trying to avoid a grievance. 

The White Sox are in a rebuild. I guess the Sox should have thrown 6/120 at Tauchman so that everyone could rejoice that the Sox finally signed somebody to a contract over $100 million. LOL. 

Holy s%*# dude, there's no excuse for a Chicago based team to be running payrolls below the A's. Regardless of your "reason" for why it's happening, it's embarrassing.

Why do weirdo's like you stan for owners saving money. Truly baffling stuff!

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Holy s%*# dude, there's no excuse for a Chicago based team to be running payrolls below the A's. Regardless of your "reason" for why it's happening, it's embarrassing.

Why do weirdo's like you stan for owners saving money. Truly baffling stuff!

I'm stanning for logic and common sense. Perhaps they should extend Benintendi so the Sox could prove to smart, sensible people like you that they're trying oh so hard to win. 

I'm not embarrassed. Perhaps you should be discussing the shame you feel over a baseball team with a professional. 

Edited December 10 by WestEddy

[Bob Sacamano]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Holy s%*# dude, there's no excuse for a Chicago based team to be running payrolls below the A's. Regardless of your "reason" for why it's happening, it's embarrassing.

Why do weirdo's like you stan for owners saving money. Truly baffling stuff!

There’s no reason why they can’t try to overpay a couple guys on one, two year deals to try to flip in the summer over signing a guy line Tauchman who accomplishes nothing.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm stanning for logic and common sense. Perhaps they should extend Benintendi so the Sox could prove to smart, sensible people like you that they're trying oh so hard to win. 

I'm not embarrassed. Perhaps you should be discussing the shame you feel over a baseball team with a professional. 

Maybe the White Sox should try to not be the worst team in baseball history again? You think it's logical or smart for a team to throw a minor league product on the field over and over again in the name of "rebuilding." I think you're a complete dunce.

All the White Sox are doing by "rebuilding," as you define it, is saving money. There's zero reason the White Sox can't rebuild and also pay some major league players to come here and compete. This idea that if you rebuild you must spend zero dollars is ownership-propogated bullshit.

The White Sox can build up the organization, overhaul analytics, invest more internationally and on amateur scouting, while also putting a competent MLB product on the field. The things you believe are OK and logical are going to leave you as the only fan left of this dreadful organization.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Maybe the White Sox should try to not be the worst team in baseball history again? You think it's logical or smart for a team to throw a minor league product on the field over and over again in the name of "rebuilding." I think you're a complete dunce.

All the White Sox are doing by "rebuilding," as you define it, is saving money. There's zero reason the White Sox can't rebuild and also pay some major league players to come here and compete. This idea that if you rebuild you must spend zero dollars is ownership-propogated bullshit.

The White Sox can build up the organization, overhaul analytics, invest more internationally and on amateur scouting, while also putting a competent MLB product on the field. The things you believe are OK and logical are going to leave you as the only fan left of this dreadful organization.

You should look into getting a better mattress. You seem tired and cranky. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Here's an off-season plan for people that aren't boot lickers:

I'll utilize crowd sourced numbers for some - if source is off by enough I'll use my forecasts.

Projected current payroll 65ish million.

Goal payroll - 125ish million (this puts the White Sox in line with KC. Hardly a big spender and should put the White Sox around 23rd in the league in spending (still at the bottom for a rebuild).

Free Agents:

Gleybar Torres - 3 years, 54 million
Hoffman - 3 years, 30 million
Christian Walker - 3 years, 45 million
Profar - 3 years, 40 million
Trevor Williams - 2 Years, 18 million

Every player above is a gamble with an upside.

Torres - coming off a career worst year but still only 27. He'll never be the superstar people thought, but in that park he can get you 3 WAR if we returns to form.
Hoffman - A good gamble on a guy who has come on in the past two years after he moved to reliever, could be moved at any time.
Walker - There's this odd large gap between first baseman and compensation. Walker is older and likely to fall into the underpaid side of things. I don't think Walker offers much in trade value, but who knows?
Profar and Williams both changed a lot about their games last year and had very positive results. The league likely may adjust back, but if they show good signs of life next year both will be tradable assets with a lot of value.

The above gets you to around 125 million after filling all other holes. It also gives you FIVE MLB quality big leaguers to watch next year. It gives your team some positive variance opportunities.

[Bob Sacamano]

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Here's an off-season plan for people that aren't boot lickers:

I'll utilize crowd sourced numbers for some - if source is off by enough I'll use my forecasts.

Projected current payroll 65ish million.

Goal payroll - 125ish million (this puts the White Sox in line with KC. Hardly a big spender and should put the White Sox around 23rd in the league in spending (still at the bottom for a rebuild).

Free Agents:

Gleybar Torres - 3 years, 54 million
Hoffman - 3 years, 30 million
Christian Walker - 3 years, 45 million
Profar - 3 years, 40 million
Trevor Williams - 2 Years, 18 million

Every player above is a gamble with an upside.

Torres - coming off a career worst year but still only 27. He'll never be the superstar people thought, but in that park he can get you 3 WAR if we returns to form.
Hoffman - A good gamble on a guy who has come on in the past two years after he moved to reliever, could be moved at any time.
Walker - There's this odd large gap between first baseman and compensation. Walker is older and likely to fall into the underpaid side of things. I don't think Walker offers much in trade value, but who knows?
Profar and Williams both changed a lot about their games last year and had very positive results. The league likely may adjust back, but if they show good signs of life next year both will be tradable assets with a lot of value.

The above gets you to around 125 million after filling all other holes. It also gives you FIVE MLB quality big leaguers to watch next year. It gives your team some positive variance opportunities.

Gives you guys to trade later too. But we specialize in the no risk, no reward guys. The very bottom of the barrel. 

Edited December 10 by Bob Sacamano

[kitekrazy]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:49 AM, Quin said:

On one hand, this bodes well for the Crochet trade market.

On the other hand, this mean that even Chris Flexen is out of the Sox price range.

You forgot about the GM doing the trading.

It bodes hell for Sox fans

[Balta1701]

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Here's an off-season plan for people that aren't boot lickers:

I'll utilize crowd sourced numbers for some - if source is off by enough I'll use my forecasts.

Projected current payroll 65ish million.

Goal payroll - 125ish million (this puts the White Sox in line with KC. Hardly a big spender and should put the White Sox around 23rd in the league in spending (still at the bottom for a rebuild).

Free Agents:

Gleybar Torres - 3 years, 54 million
Hoffman - 3 years, 30 million
Christian Walker - 3 years, 45 million
Profar - 3 years, 40 million
Trevor Williams - 2 Years, 18 million

Every player above is a gamble with an upside.

Torres - coming off a career worst year but still only 27. He'll never be the superstar people thought, but in that park he can get you 3 WAR if we returns to form.
Hoffman - A good gamble on a guy who has come on in the past two years after he moved to reliever, could be moved at any time.
Walker - There's this odd large gap between first baseman and compensation. Walker is older and likely to fall into the underpaid side of things. I don't think Walker offers much in trade value, but who knows?
Profar and Williams both changed a lot about their games last year and had very positive results. The league likely may adjust back, but if they show good signs of life next year both will be tradable assets with a lot of value.

The above gets you to around 125 million after filling all other holes. It also gives you FIVE MLB quality big leaguers to watch next year. It gives your team some positive variance opportunities.

I'm somewhat surprised that the Profar projection is only 3/$40, is it really that low for him coming off of last year?

I am intrigued by the idea of signing Hoffman to move him back to starting, this does seem to be a league-wide trend that is working for people.

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I'm somewhat surprised that the Profar projection is only 3/$40, is it really that low for him coming off of last year?

I am intrigued by the idea of signing Hoffman to move him back to starting, this does seem to be a league-wide trend that is working for people.

Yeah, when reading that, I thought the Profar and Walker numbers were a bit low but even if they were higher, it can still work. Walker, I feel like is looking at a 3 year, high AAV deal. Profar might get another year and a little higher AAV.

[Balta1701]

8 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yeah, when reading that, I thought the Profar and Walker numbers were a bit low but even if they were higher, it can still work. Walker, I feel like is looking at a 3 year, high AAV deal. Profar might get another year and a little higher AAV.

Both MLBTR and Fangraphs have Profar ad 3/$45, MLBTR has walker at 3/$60 and FG has him at 3/$54. If they were willing to carry a decent payroll, I still kinda like those signings as guys who could potentially have trade value in Y1. 

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Both MLBTR and Fangraphs have Profar ad 3/$45, MLBTR has walker at 3/$60 and FG has him at 3/$54. If they were willing to carry a decent payroll, I still kinda like those signings as guys who could potentially have trade value in Y1. 

Agreed and I would have guessed 3/60 for Walker.