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Jerry McNertney Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Twenty-six million dollars a year for a lifetime .248 hitter? Money in MLB is bonkers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 10 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: Twenty-six million dollars a year for a lifetime .248 hitter? Money in MLB is bonkers. I mean so is judging a guys career by only their batting average 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 7 Author Share Posted December 7 15 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: Twenty-six million dollars a year for a lifetime .248 hitter? Money in MLB is bonkers. He’s averaged 4 WAR each year throughout his career. But yes, the money is bonkers. Jerry and Getz will be sticking with the bargain bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry McNertney Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Okay, I give. What's so special about Adames? Is it his lifetime .322 OBP, or his .766 OPS, or his mediocre fielding including 20 errors in 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He’s averaged 4 WAR each year throughout his career. But yes, the money is bonkers. Jerry and Getz will be sticking with the bargain bin. What would be the point of signing a free agent like this right now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 7 Author Share Posted December 7 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said: Okay, I give. What's so special about Adames? Is it his lifetime .322 OBP, or his .766 OPS, or his mediocre fielding including 20 errors in 2024? Look beyond errors. Gunnar Henderson had 25 errors last year — would you want him? Also, a .766 OPS from a SS is good, especially one that provides both power and good defense. He’s put up 21.5 WAR in his career. Some people thought Tim Anderson was a star and he has a lifetime .718 OPS. But I’m sure Jerry would agree with your thoughts on free agent spending. Edited December 7 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 7 Author Share Posted December 7 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: What would be the point of signing a free agent like this right now? Where did I ever say that this signing would make sense for the Sox? Jerry and Getz will be sticking with the bargain bin regardless of the situation. Edited December 7 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Where did I ever say that this signing would make sense for the Sox? Jerry and Getz will be sticking with the bargain bin regardless of the situation. I mean, you have said this like 20 times over the past couple of weeks. You seem to be implying there is something wrong with sticking to the bargain bin at the very beginning of a rebuild. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Author Share Posted December 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I mean, you have said this like 20 times over the past couple of weeks. You seem to be implying there is something wrong with sticking to the bargain bin at the very beginning of a rebuild. I think it’s where the Sox will be shopping until Jerry is gone, regardless of where the team is at competitively. I think it’s funny that you would assume I thought the Sox should’ve been looking to sign Adames. Even if they were competitive, the Sox aren’t spending $182 million on anyone any time soon. 5-years / $75 million. Record-setting. ‘Nuff said… Edited December 8 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 50 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I think it’s where the Sox will be shopping until Jerry is gone, regardless of where the team is at competitively. I think it’s funny that you would assume I thought the Sox should’ve been looking to sign Adames. Even if they were competitive, the Sox aren’t spending $182 million on anyone any time soon. 5-years / $75 million. Record-setting. ‘Nuff said… I don't think you know what 'Nuff said means since you say things like this all of the time in every thread. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean so is judging a guys career by only their batting average This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 55 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I think it’s where the Sox will be shopping until Jerry is gone, regardless of where the team is at competitively. I think it’s funny that you would assume I thought the Sox should’ve been looking to sign Adames. Even if they were competitive, the Sox aren’t spending $182 million on anyone any time soon. 5-years / $75 million. Record-setting. ‘Nuff said… It’s true. When trying to compete, they still are drawn to the C-tier free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: What would be the point of signing a free agent like this right now? Well, they don't have a quality fielding SS to anchor the infield...assuming the scouting on Montgomery holds. Will be interesting to see what HaSeong Kim gets in free agency coming off shoulder surgery but a 6 fWAR two seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42622206/mlb-offseason-2024-25-free-agency-willy-adames-shortstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Author Share Posted December 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said: I don't think you know what 'Nuff said means since you say things like this all of the time in every thread. The Sox have never spent more than $75 million on a free agent. So why would I think they should or would sign Adames? I didn’t. This isn’t that difficult to comprehend, unless you are living in a fantasy land with a new White Sox owner that spends money. ‘Nuff said. Edited December 8 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42622206/mlb-offseason-2024-25-free-agency-willy-adames-shortstop "But now, finally, the Giants have an offensive catalyst to try to build around. Adames, who finished 10th in NL MVP voting this season, represents an obvious fit for a team in dire need of firepower. The ebullient 29-year-old has clubbed 112 home runs since the start of 2022, tied with Corey Seager for the most by a shortstop over that span. Offensively, Adames’ 2024 season was one of his best, with career highs in home runs and RBI. He has always been a high-strikeout player, but he offers rare juice for a shortstop." "The deal, which has yet to be confirmed by the Giants, is the largest in franchise history and the first major move under the team’s new president of baseball operations, Buster Posey. Adames, ranked fifth on Yahoo Sports’ Top 50 free agents list, was considered by some to be the market’s second-best offensive player behind only superstar slugger Juan Soto." Edited December 8 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean so is judging a guys career by only their batting average That’s not really what he said. Regardless, that .248 batting average is complemented by a .322 OBP and a .766 OPS. The contract seems a tad steep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Author Share Posted December 8 6 minutes ago, GreenSox said: That’s not really what he said. Regardless, that .248 batting average is complemented by a .322 OBP and a .766 OPS. The contract seems a tad steep. Defense matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 8 minutes ago, GreenSox said: That’s not really what he said. Regardless, that .248 batting average is complemented by a .322 OBP and a .766 OPS. The contract seems a tad steep. He was 5th last year in fWAR for all SSs last year. What should the 5th best overall SS in MLB slot in at on the free agent market? His ISO was 6th. His RC+ was 7th. His OPS was 8th. His defense rating was 10th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Author Share Posted December 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He was 5th last year in fWAR for all SSs last year. What should the 5th best overall SS in MLB slot in at on the free agent market? His ISO was 6th. His RC+ was 7th. His OPS was 8th. His defense rating was 10th. Thanks for doing his work for him. Hopefully he can ingest this helpful information on why Adames is a good player. Trying to understand MLB contracts is a whole different story. But if they can afford to pay players this much, think about how much MLB teams are making from their own profits, as well as revenue sharing. Edited December 8 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: He was 5th last year in fWAR for all SSs last year. What should the 5th best overall SS in MLB slot in at on the free agent market? His ISO was 6th. His RC+ was 7th. His OPS was 8th. His defense rating was 10th. OK. 5-10 ranked SS still not worth $25 million a year for 7 years. You can get your offense from other positions for a lot less cost. I like young players for that middle infield position due to the economics. Hopefully we can get one for crochet. Edited December 8 by GreenSox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 This might work in Sox favor. They have no business to spend much this offseason but maybe teams go crazy and than get scared in a year or two when Sox have new owner and plenty of money to spend (and hopefully a good system and some young up and coming legit major league talent). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Author Share Posted December 8 (edited) 32 minutes ago, GreenSox said: OK. 5-10 ranked SS still not worth $25 million a year for 7 years. You can get your offense from other positions for a lot less cost. I like young players for that middle infield position due to the economics. Hopefully we can get one for crochet. I agree that I wouldn’t pay Adames that much money. However, I think you are underestimating MLB free agency money… Francisco Lindor was #3 in fWAR last year among all MLB shortstops, just above Adames, and he signed with the Mets in 2021 for 10-years and $341 million. That’s almost twice as much total money as what Adames just signed for. This Adames contract looks like a steal compared to that deal. Edited December 8 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: OK. 5-10 ranked SS still not worth $25 million a year for 7 years. You can get your offense from other positions for a lot less cost. I like young players for that middle infield position due to the economics. Hopefully we can get one for crochet. Where are you finding a better ranked SS for cheaper on the open market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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