PaleAleSox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 hours ago, caulfield12 said: What could go wrong with Ramos in the outfield? Vargas would be a better fit in LF but we're forced to put up with him for another 3-4 months at least on the infield. You are acting like Ramos has the athleticism of Sheets or Vaughn. I'm sure he can pick up being an outfielder. Tons of players have done it, the Sox just tried it on two of the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Plenty of good reasons to give Ramos playing time in the OF with Vargas and Montgomery likely assuming his best position. Personally, I’d give Ramos a long look at 2b before moving him to the OF. There will be plenty of playing time to be found in the White Sox infield in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 43 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: We all know the org hates Colas, so that part is not surprising. I will admit, it’s a little refreshing to see them not handing s%*# to Fletcher. I will forever question the logic in acquiring him in the first place. Little, tweener OF with poor bat speed and whose defense is based on running good routes and a plus arm but average at best speed. Shockingly, he looked like a no impact bat in the majors and it’s unlikely his defensive value can hold in CF with his lack of speed. At the ripe age of 27, it’s basically now or never time for him, and yet the front office has decided to go outside and bring in what will likely be a 2 win platoon for RF. And honestly, I can’t really blame them based on what I saw out of Fletcher last year. He should have to force his way into playing at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 17 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Isnt Ramos a better defender at 3B than Vargas? He certainly is. I think with Vargas they want him to stick at one spot so he can spend less time working on his defensive game and really focus on the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: We all know the org hates Colas, so that part is not surprising. I will admit, it’s a little refreshing to see them not handing s%*# to Fletcher. I will forever question the logic in acquiring him in the first place. Little, tweener OF with poor bat speed and whose defense is based on running good routes and a plus arm but average at best speed. Shockingly, he looked like a no impact bat in the majors and it’s unlikely his defensive value can hold in CF with his lack of speed. At the ripe age of 27, it’s basically now or never time for him, and yet the front office has decided to go outside and bring in what will likely be a 2 win platoon for RF. And honestly, I can’t really blame them based on what I saw out of Fletcher last year. He should have to force his way into playing at this point. I blame them for even acquiring him in the first place 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 16 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: There will be plenty of playing time to be found on the 2025 White Sox. Fixed… we’ve become the laughingstock of baseball… and it isn’t ending any time soon. Oh joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Personally, I’d give Ramos a long look at 2b before moving him to the OF. There will be plenty of playing time to be found in the White Sox infield in 2025. It’s not moving to the OF…it’s about enhancing his utility. I actually was thinking about this over night and I actually kind of like this plan for Ramos. He already plays 3B and 2B, the former fairly well, but will be limited in getting playing time at those spots due to other in-house options. However, as our primary DH who can fill in at those spots when while also playing some LF, he should be able to get significant playing time next year. It also strengthens his value long-term if he proves capable in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I blame them for even acquiring him in the first place Yep. This is Getz finally admitting he made a bad trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s not moving to the OF…it’s about enhancing his utility. I actually was thinking about this over night and I actually kind of like this plan for Ramos. He already plays 3B and 2B, the former fairly well, but will be limited in getting playing time at those spots due to other in-house options. However, as our primary DH who can fill in at those spots when while also playing some LF, he should be able to get significant playing time next year. It also strengthens his value long-term if he proves capable in the OF. You know who’s already played 1B, 2B, 3B and OF? Vargas. And he’s terrible defensively. Make him the DH that fills in at places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 14 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I blame them for even acquiring him in the first place I 100% agree. And this isn’t hindsight, I was very vocal in the Mena for Fletcher trade thread my dislike of the move and him specifically. But the reality is he’s a sunk cost now and we don’t need to investment more playing time into him if we don’t believe in the talent anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 37 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Isnt Ramos a better defender at 3B than Vargas? Every decision on Vargas is being made on hope. He showed no signs of being a tolerable hitter, but we hope he will suddenly become one. He showed no signs of being a good infielder but we hope he will be, so they make decisions based on that assumption. After all, if the White Sox traded one of their only assets for a guy who was an immediate bust, some unfair people might judge them for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 27 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He certainly is. I think with Vargas they want him to stick at one spot so he can spend less time working on his defensive game and really focus on the bat. Wouldn’t Ramos benefit from this too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: You know who’s already played 1B, 2B, 3B and OF? Vargas. And he’s terrible defensively. Make him the DH that fills in at places. He is terrible defensively, but I can’t say I disagree with the approach here. He does not have the power to be a full-time DH IMO. As such, he’s got to find a defensive home he can be passable at. I was actually hoping they’d give him a legit look in the OF since he has a plus arm and plus speed, but it seems like they want him spending time almost entirely on hitting. As such, 3B is probably his best bet because he’s familiar with it and it takes advantage of his arm. Just to be clear, I am very pessimistic on Vargas at the moment, but we need to give him one last shot. He first needs to show he can hit major league pitching and actually provide some impact vs. just drawing a bunch of walks. Until then, his defense doesn’t really matter because he’s not an actual major leaguer if he can’t hit in the first place. Sucks for Ramos, but with Montgomery likely moving to 3B down the road, it’s probably good to bring moving Bryan around now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Every decision on Vargas is being made on hope. He showed no signs of being a tolerable hitter, but we hope he will suddenly become one. He showed no signs of being a good infielder but we hope he will be, so they make decisions based on that assumption. After all, if the White Sox traded one of their only assets for a guy who was an immediate bust, some unfair people might judge them for that. He apparently was so distraught being traded to the White Sox that he stopped eating and lost all his strength, so maybe give him a break you fucking bully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Wouldn’t Ramos benefit from this too? Sure, everyone would, but there is a pecking order to these things and right now it appears that Vargas is ahead of Ramos in the eyes of Sox leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He apparently was so distraught being traded to the White Sox that he stopped eating and lost all his strength, so maybe give him a break you fucking bully. That doesn’t make me feel any better about him. He’s made almost $2 million so far being terrible at baseball. Time to sack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 44 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: We all know the org hates Colas, so that part is not surprising. I will admit, it’s a little refreshing to see them not handing s%*# to Fletcher. I will forever question the logic in acquiring him in the first place. Little, tweener OF with poor bat speed and whose defense is based on running good routes and a plus arm but average at best speed. Shockingly, he looked like a no impact bat in the majors and it’s unlikely his defensive value can hold in CF with his lack of speed. At the ripe age of 27, it’s basically now or never time for him, and yet the front office has decided to go outside and bring in what will likely be a 2 win platoon for RF. And honestly, I can’t really blame them based on what I saw out of Fletcher last year. He should have to force his way into playing at this point. A quiet confession that they failed in the Fletcher trade 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 8 hours ago, spiderman said: Jake Burger to Texas for 3 minor leaguers. WHAT A BURGER!!!! I am very happy for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He apparently was so distraught being traded to the White Sox that he stopped eating and lost all his strength, so maybe give him a break you fucking bully. Is this true LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Is this true LOL lol for his sake, I hope not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 23 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. Oh dear god it’s depressing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 12 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Is this true LOL No, I was just fucking around, but Getz claimed yesterday that Vargas lost some strength for some reason after coming to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. Who are you moving to 2B to bump Sosa…Vargas? Ramos? Baldwin? You really believe in Montgomery at short? Or 3B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, hi8is said: Oh dear god it’s depressing I actually don’t hate it. It’s obviously going to be terrible, but for year 2 of the rebuild and without any of the players we acquire for Crochet & Robert I can live with it. But I’m also a big Ramos & Baldwin fan admittedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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