Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Who are you moving to 2B to bump Sosa…Vargas? Ramos? Baldwin? You really believe in Montgomery at short? Or 3B? I think the lineup eventually moves to this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Mongomery*, SS Ramos, DH Quero#, C Baldwin#, 2B Montgomery probably moves off SS eventually, but doesn’t happen right away unless Brooks looks great there and/or we get someone like Mayer in return for Crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I actually don’t hate it. It’s obviously going to be terrible, but for year 2 of the rebuild and without any of the players we acquire for Crochet & Robert I can live with it. But I’m also a big Ramos & Baldwin fan admittedly. It at least has youth in it that has some potential. Especially once whatever OFers we get from trades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s not moving to the OF…it’s about enhancing his utility. I actually was thinking about this over night and I actually kind of like this plan for Ramos. He already plays 3B and 2B, the former fairly well, but will be limited in getting playing time at those spots due to other in-house options. However, as our primary DH who can fill in at those spots when while also playing some LF, he should be able to get significant playing time next year. It also strengthens his value long-term if he proves capable in the OF. Let him learn to play multiple infield positions well. That will provide more than enough utility if he can play 2b and 3b competently while putting up a .700 OPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think the lineup eventually moves to this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Mongomery*, SS Ramos, DH Quero#, C Baldwin#, 2B Montgomery probably moves off SS eventually, but doesn’t happen right away unless Brooks looks great there and/or we get someone like Mayer in return for Crochet. I’d prefer Ramos at 2b, Baldwin at SS, Montgomery at 3b. I’ve seen enough of Vargas and Sosa in the infield. They can DH and super sub multiple positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. There aren't enough puke emojis for 2025. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 35 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: No, I was just fucking around, but Getz claimed yesterday that Vargas lost some strength for some reason after coming to us. * will to live 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. I pretty much agree, but it is still early. I was hoping Ramos could stick at 3B because he looks like a big dude that could mash. Ideally if the Sox would sign a decent power hitting DH to a short term deal that would really strengthen the line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Sure, everyone would, but there is a pecking order to these things and right now it appears that Vargas is ahead of Ramos in the eyes of Sox leadership. Is there any obvious reason for "Vargas to be ahead of Ramos" other than "Getz acquired one of these and not the other, so Getz needs to be made to look good"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 57 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think the lineup eventually moves to this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Mongomery*, SS Ramos, DH Quero#, C Baldwin#, 2B Montgomery probably moves off SS eventually, but doesn’t happen right away unless Brooks looks great there and/or we get someone like Mayer in return for Crochet. Straight up question, with all the outfielders they've added, and Ramos being OF'd, you really think both Robert and Benintendi remain on this roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Is there any obvious reason for "Vargas to be ahead of Ramos" other than "Getz acquired one of these and not the other, so Getz needs to be made to look good"? Good question. Vargas looked awful in the majors last year when I watched him with poor Statcast data supporting that view, but he also put up crazy numbers in AAA that go well beyond just being PCL inflated. Ramos on the other hand had a very disappointing year at all levels, partially driven by a slow start at AA, but showed more from a tools standpoint (to me at least) to believe he can adjust and become an impactful contributor in the majors. Both are big question marks at the moment. However, it’s very unclear to me what Watson and crew saw in Vargas when initially scouting him. We know he has elite plate discipline, which is a huge plus, but his hit tool did not like within the stratosphere of being a 60 and he looked incredibly weak to me. Getz did say yesterday that Vargas lost a lot of strength when coming to the White Sox. No idea how or why, but I guess that could be a thing. Regardless, Vargas has nothing left to prove in AAA and he should probably be ahead of Ramos in the pecking order for that reason alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 “Chandler Rome of The Athletic reports that the the trade talks between Kyle Tucker and the Cubs involve Seiya Suzuki and Isaac Paredes. Suzuki has recently been mentioned as a potential trade candidate by the Cubs, in part because of his desire to not be a designated hitter. Tucker heading to Chicago would open up right field for him. Meanwhile, Paredes would slide into third base if Alex Bregman was to leave the Astros. There would almost certainly be prospects headed Houston’s way, but this would be a way to move Tucker and not take a massive step backwards for 2025 and 2026. Interesting.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Straight up question, with all the outfielders they've added, and Ramos being OF'd, you really think both Robert and Benintendi remain on this roster? That I’m not sure of. I originally thought the addition of Tauchman meant that one of Robert or Benintendi would likely be traded, but that was before I heard Getz’s cold comments on Fletcher. No doubt I think they are trying to move them, but I still can’t fathom any team giving up an appropriate package for Robert at this time. As for Benintendi, he can only be moved in a bad contract for bad contract swap. The fact that Tauchman just got $2M shows you how little Andrew would be worth if a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Right now, I think we end up with a lineup this: Tauchman*, RF Vargas, 3B Robert, CF Benintendi*, LF Vaughn, 1B Ramos, DH Baldwin#, SS Sosa, 2B Lee, C Initial bench of Amaya, Slater, DeLoach*, and a veteran catcher. Montgomery & Quero called up by May or June, forcing Amaya off the roster and Sosa into a backup IF role. Prospects from a Crochet trade could also be in the mix. Worst. Offense. Ever. Which is saying something after last season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 I’m still waiting for the demand from Jeff Bolker to land on Getz laptop! It’s time to compete! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I’m still waiting for the demand from Jeff Bolker to land on Getz laptop! It’s time to compete! That got caught in the White Sox spam filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: That got caught in the White Sox spam filter. This indicates they have updated their outlook in the past ten years. Color me skeptical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) Sean Manaea to Red Sox Edited December 11 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Sean Manaea to Red Sox Orioles are having a bad time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Orioles are having a bad time. They have to be in full pledged panic mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 5 minutes ago, Quin said: Orioles are having a bad time. Wait, I may have jumped the gun here. I thought MLBN said that he signed. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Wait, I may have jumped the gun here. I thought MLBN said that he signed. My bad. Ah, still. Crochet, Fried, the above pillaging and Burnes departure. Ironically, it looks like a trade for Dylan Cease may be their best hope. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 15 minutes ago, Quin said: Ah, still. Crochet, Fried, the above pillaging and Burnes departure. Ironically, it looks like a trade for Dylan Cease may be their best hope. Yep. I also wouldn’t be surprised if another team decides to put a cheap unknown starter on the trade block after seeing the White Sox return for Crochet. However, I doubt the Orioles will ante up like the Red Sox did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 44 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. I also wouldn’t be surprised if another team decides to put a cheap unknown starter on the trade block after seeing the White Sox return for Crochet. However, I doubt the Orioles will ante up like the Red Sox did. If the Astros are actually able to get good value for Tucker from The Cubs I’d almost guarantee they’d trade Valdez as well. That’s the kind of reliable, playoff experienced, innings eating arm Baltimore could use, and the Astros really need 1b help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Unless Houston’s demands don’t come down, I don’t think @fathom has to sweat Kyle Tucker being a Cub… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 39 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Unless Houston’s demands don’t come down, I don’t think @fathom has to sweat Kyle Tucker being a Cub… It’s going to happen, it will be Paredes and good prospects for Tucker and Pressly IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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