chw42 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 6 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Hopefully he is what Madrigal was *supposed* to be. Never hurts to have a high BA/high OBP guy in the lineup. That was the first thought I had when I saw his profile. Madrigal was never going to really work because he never walked. When you're a little guy, you gotta try to succeed in ways that doesn't always rely on hitting the ball. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: These types of trades never happen but I'd be all for it if someone valued catching more than another position prospect of similar ilk. Quero is a tiny dude for a catcher and already had a back injury. Not getting Teel in the deal because of Quero’s existence would have been foolish. The Sox are so far away from trying to compete, they just need to keep stockpiling legit major leaguers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s currently ranked 8th in their system which includes at least six top 100 prospects, so not sure how much higher you would expect him. That being said, his ceiling is limited as he doesn’t have a ton of power and isn’t a great defender (and probably not a real SS). But dude has elite plate discipline and good bat to ball skills, so should be a high BA / high OBP type. To me that, that offensive profile can work at the top of a lineup, even if he’s limited to 2B. I saw #11 at MLB.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Tiny 210 pound Edgar Quero? Right-sized 190 pound Kyle Teel? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Lamar Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: Now that we have both Montgomery's, we're basically the A's with Rickey Henderson and Dave Henderson. should have insisted on their Cespedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 49 minutes ago, chw42 said: Maybe hope Teel is like Realmuto and he's athletic enough to play OF? It’s possible…will be interesting to hear Getz’s comments on this. He must have some high level plan for all this, although he may not want to reveal it all just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said: should have insisted on their Cespedes We no longer have our Cespedes lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: One other thing worth highlighting is that it’s now abundantly clear that Getz values guys who are disciplined and draw walks. Here is a list of guys he’s acquired in his major trades and their BB rates prior to that: Zavala: 19.4% in A (Y23) Vargas: 19.9% in AAA Perez: 13.7% in A Albertus: 18.9% in CPX Teel: 16.3% in AAA Montgomery: 15.2% in College Meidroth: 18.8% in AAA I was going to post something similar. I believe this shows in recent draft trends as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: One other thing worth highlighting is that it’s now abundantly clear that Getz values guys who are disciplined and draw walks. Here is a list of guys he’s acquired in his major trades and their BB rates prior to that: Zavala: 19.4% in A (Y23) Vargas: 19.9% in AAA Perez: 13.7% in A Albertus: 18.9% in CPX Teel: 16.3% in AAA Montgomery: 15.2% in College Meidroth: 18.8% in AAA Yup, it literally took me one godd*mned post using only his last name before my brain glitched on which Montgomery was being talked about. Motherf***er... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Yup, it literally took me one godd*mned post using only his last name before my brain glitched on which Montgomery was being talked about. Motherf***er... I’m just gonna call them Colson and Braden. Shorter spelling too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 11 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: These types of trades never happen but I'd be all for it if someone valued catching more than another position prospect of similar ilk. Maybe package Quero and Robert together for a club that needs C...try to get CF and SS back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I’m just gonna call them Colson and Braden. Shorter spelling too "Monty" fans in shambles. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 One other thing to keep in mind with the catching duo is Quero is way, way better against LHP than RHP. Teel is way better against RHP. Should be a productive situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 47 minutes ago, steveno89 said: I am still digesting this trade. Of Boston's top four prospects for the White Sox, Teel is the worst fit. Catching prospects are really difficult to hit and get value on, plus the fit with Quero seems awkward. Montgomery has pop and a big arm, but is coming off an ankle injury and is several years away from the majors. Lengthy development path ahead, with hit tool questions that need to be answered. Mediroth can hit and looks like a future utility player at the MLB level Gonzalez is most likely a reliever, but Sox can continue to develop him as a potential starter. I'm sure this was intentional, but it is noteworthy to me what the Red Sox did not trade. They kept their three up the middle top prospects (Anthony/Campbell/Mayer), as well as their toolsy teenage prospects who could be worth even more in a year (Arias, Cespedes, Bleis) This may have been the best that Getz was offered, but I really wish the Sox would have focused on up the middle talent as the return. I think this is all fair, but in this environment to get legit top 25/30 and top 60/70 positional prospects plus two interesting 45 FV guys is solid. And to be fair, Teel is an up the middle talent, just not an obvious spot of need for us. There is plenty of time to work through the roster construction, but I agree, where our next SS (if it’s not Colson) & CF comes from will be interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No, crochet created his value. You'd have to be delusional to believe otherwise. Why do you have to be so cock sure that your opinion is the end all be all ? It's not all or nothing. Yes the player has the talent. But when a player has a breakout it's the player and when they suck it's the Sox cant develop ? Clearly they've had a lot of success with pitching since they hired Bannister . A lot of the minor league arms show promise. There was a plan created for him , they changed his pitch mix and his grip on certain pitches and at the end of the year he was learning a sinker to limit HRs against him. This plan was the result of many people including Bannister ,Katz and the medical staff to keep him on a strict schedule that he didn't want to deviant from if he was traded at the TDL. Yes the talent was there but talent alone does not get you to the top especially in baseball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, bmags said: Disappointed they didn't include Benintendi though, the sox saving money was a big issue for me. "I like the cut of your jib, young man" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 I love this deal, a little shocked that Dave Dombrowski decided to hold onto Aidan Miller and Justin Crawford but this is a solid return. The one thing I like the most too is the attitude these prospects bring, unlike the last round of prospects we got from Boston, these kids seem like they actually want to play ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Eh, this just makes me wonder how he whiffed on the Cease return so much now. Again, an example how people now state as fact that the Sox lost the Cease trade, and the question is very much up in the air (again, I think the Sox won that trade). But the complainers have to misrepresent so that they can justify being pissy and complaining. No poster more than this one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 It’s a fair trade hopefully these guys will pan out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 35 minutes ago, Tony said: Sort of ironic it's the Red Sox again, as Crochet and Sale have a lot of similarities. We should all be rooting for Crochet, hope he thrives. And it will probably be the Red Sox again in 6 or 7 years when the Sox trade them Noah Schultz or Hagen Smith! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: And it will probably be the Red Sox again in 6 or 7 years when the Sox trade them Noah Schultz or Hagen Smith! I literally just said this to someone lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 I don't love the catching prospect as the main get - but I at least like that they got some position prospects and some guys with upside. In general I am supportive of the move as well - has to be done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Did Teel play the OF at UV as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 5 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said: And it will probably be the Red Sox again in 6 or 7 years when the Sox trade them Noah Schultz or Hagen Smith! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I think this is all fair, but in this environment to get legit top 25/30 and top 60/70 positional prospects plus two interesting 45 FV guys is solid. And to be fair, Teel is an up the middle talent, just not an obvious spot of need for us. There is plenty of time to work through the roster construction, but I agree, where our next SS (if it’s not Colson) & CF comes from will be interesting. I wanted at least one toolsy youngster with upside to dream on in the return, like Franklin Arias, who could be a top 25 prospect in baseball by this time next year. Boston was never going to include Anthony or Campbell for obvious reasons, and Mayer may have carried too much injury risk for the White Sox to stomach despite his upside and pedigree. Not sure another club was going to offer the combination of prospects the White Sox received back, so Getz likely did the best he felt he could do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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