wrathofhahn Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 The top two prospects in the deal are good. The other two aren't interesting to me. We should be targeting younger prospects other than 4A guys. I'd much rather of us gotten a guy like Zanetello and/or Conrad Cason usually it's the bottom half of the trade that ends up saving these deals when one of the top prospects flame out. Instead we got two guys in Chase Meidroth and Wikelman Gonzalez who are almost ready but don't profile to be everyday players. Meidroth has never hit for power at any level. He also according to scouts and doesn't have the arm strength or range to stick as SS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't think so. It all depends on the offers really. If they aren't there, you're better off betting on a better performance April-June, and cashing in then. Now if you can get a really good up the middle prospect now, and a supporting piece or two, then sure. Yep, a strong first half next year and his stock explodes. If you’re not getting good offers right now for him, no reason to salary dump him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 41 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What’s the most they ever had at one time? I’d be surprised if this rebuild didn’t produce 10 over a 24 month period that started 6 months ago. Probably the aforementioned 10. I believe it was the 2017 list. Hell, has any team ever had more than 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The sox are the laughing stock of MLB, but man, the O's are stupid. I got so much joy out of watching them get swept out of the first round this season, and 2025 isn't going to be any better. That simply isn't a play-off caliber pitching staff. Yeah the O's keep making smart moves in the offseason signing Oneill and Sanchez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The sox are the laughing stock of MLB, but man, the O's are stupid. I got so much joy out of watching them get swept out of the first round this season, and 2025 isn't going to be any better. That simply isn't a play-off caliber pitching staff. You cannot sit on your laurels in the AL East when the Yankees and Red Sox exist, Blue Jays are the third wealthiest team in the sport, and the Rays have their farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not buying it yet. They will get a starter. Will it be enough? Maybe not. But they didn’t just sign Tyler O’Neill for $49.5 million and Gary Sanchez for $8.5 million to come up short on their primary need. They have no where near the pitching they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 hours ago, HOFHurt35 said: Development, development, development. I will not get excited about any "prospect haul" ever again as long as Reinsdorf and the people he puts in charge run this team. I was just going to post the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 16 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The sox are the laughing stock of MLB, but man, the O's are stupid. I got so much joy out of watching them get swept out of the first round this season, and 2025 isn't going to be any better. That simply isn't a play-off caliber pitching staff. For whatever it’s worth, they didn’t lose the first round because of their pitching but I get what you’re saying 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 20 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't think so. It all depends on the offers really. If they aren't there, you're better off betting on a better performance April-June, and cashing in then. Now if you can get a really good up the middle prospect now, and a supporting piece or two, then sure. I would also take that right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: For whatever it’s worth, they didn’t lose the first round because of their pitching but I get what you’re saying Doesn't mean they wouldn't this year, though. I hope they don't improve and it bites them in the ass strictly because of those one dudes that came and posted here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Doesn't mean they wouldn't this year, though. I hope they don't improve and it bites them in the ass strictly because of those one dudes that came and posted here. Yeah I know. I’m just saying they’re not to blame for getting eliminated this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, fathom said: Agreed, but through one year, it looks like a bad trade. Iriarte drastically needs to improve his control. Bannister'll fix em Edited December 11 by ron883 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The Cease trade looked bad at the start, Thorpe was all right but the other two didn't look that great at the time. Zavala had a long way to go and a lot of things that could go wrong, and Iriarte seemed like a wild card. That trade looked much weaker than this one at the start, and that's not even considering that Thorpe might have gotten the "Yankee prospect boost". It was a much weaker return from the start, but Iriarte was a borderline top 100 prospect for some publications and Zavala was a consensus top 10 org guy with upside. And I don’t think the “Yankees prospect boost” when he was traded for Juan Soto. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: I don't love the catching prospect as the main get - but I at least like that they got some position prospects and some guys with upside. In general I am supportive of the move as well - has to be done. imo Montgomery is the best piece they got,even though he hasn't played pro ball yet (I got no issue with people putting Teel above BM,but BM is clearly the superstar talent) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 6 minutes ago, joejoesox said: imo Montgomery is the best piece they got,even though he hasn't played pro ball yet (I got no issue with people putting Teel above BM,but BM is clearly the superstar talent) I agree, the injury has negatively impacted his prospect ranking. They're both pretty good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 9 minutes ago, ron883 said: Bannister'll fix em Jerry is going to give Jose Abreu a lifetime contract as player and then hitting coach once he retires. Jose will work with all the position players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 8 minutes ago, joejoesox said: imo Montgomery is the best piece they got,even though he hasn't played pro ball yet (I got no issue with people putting Teel above BM,but BM is clearly the superstar talent) Can we not call him BM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Can we not call him BM I didn't wanna type Montgomery 3 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Can we not call him BM As long as everyone knows it doesn’t mean Bowel Movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 Chase Meidroth - No power makes him hot garbage. Teel is probably an upgrade at C and a LH bat. OK, I'm down with that part of the trade. IMO, RFer Montgomery seems like the key player for the WSox in this trade. On the other side of the coin, Crochet will be incredible at Yankee stadium and at Fenway. He puts the BoSox back in contention without giving up a single player on their 25 man roster. Likely a huge win for the BoSox of course, unless Crochet gets injured. Sox did a decent job of protecting his arm with inning management. BoSox will have to monitor that as well so he is there in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, tray said: Chase Meidroth - No power makes him hot garbage. Teel is probably an upgrade at C and a LH bat. OK, I'm down with that part of the trade. IMO, RFer Montgomery seems like the key player for the WSox in this trade. On the other side of the coin, Crochet will be incredible at Yankee stadium and at Fenway. He puts the BoSox back in contention without giving up a single player on their 25 man roster. Likely a huge win for the BoSox of course, unless Crochet gets injured. Sox did a decent job of protecting his arm with inning management. BoSox will have to monitor that as well so he is there in the playoffs. He’s shown at least 10 homer power a season in the minors that last two years. I’m not convinced he’s Madrigal yet. Hopefully he keeps taking his vitamins and protein powder and ends up more like Pedroia. Edited December 11 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 (edited) 39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: They have no where near the pitching they need. The biggest problem for the longer term future is the cost of keeping Gunnar Henderson in the fold. So four years left remaining in their window, theoretically. Edited December 11 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 43 minutes ago, Quin said: Probably the aforementioned 10. I believe it was the 2017 list. Hell, has any team ever had more than 10? I don’t think they had 10 in 2017 unless there was some kind of mid season list right after the Q trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 So upon hearing the news I suspect Crochet was thinking fucking A yes! What were the guys thinking coming to the White Sox organization? Lucky break, earlier route to private planes and better hotels or that's the end of my career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He’s shown at least 10 homer power a season in the minors that last two years. I’m not convinced he’s Madrigal yet. Hopefully he keeps taking his vitamins and protein powder and ends up more like Pedroia. Even if he has no power, he can take a walk which Nicky did not. With the moves they are making it seems they are at least trying to value guys who can work at bats, which is something we have not seen from the Sox in…..I don’t even know how long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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