hi8is Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 11 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Media literacy is at an all time low in this country. Jesus christ, guys. It’s just going to get worse… on a scale you can’t imagine. Check back in after a week or 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 20 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Poor Corey Lee...he actually looked legit for most of the first half. He’s a good backup catcher. We need him. One thing I really like about this trade is that the information asymmetry is about as narrow as you can get. One guy was in the last draft, and the other guy was in the draft right before. We know as much about these guys as once can when trading for prospects. I would like a shortstop too, but a guy has been in their system for a while and is injured - more risk with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 I don't know anything about these four players, but all I've heard is that this is a good trade. Also, I think Getz is doing the best he can under the circumstances. But the fact remains this is a last place team and will remain so for a while. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 4 hours ago, GreenSox said: He’s a good backup catcher. We need him. One thing I really like about this trade is that the information asymmetry is about as narrow as you can get. One guy was in the last draft, and the other guy was in the draft right before. We know as much about these guys as once can when trading for prospects. I would like a shortstop too, but a guy has been in their system for a while and is injured - more risk with that. I don’t know that he’s a good backup catcher. Right now he’s a replacement level player. That has some use, but he has work to do before I’d call him good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 If Teel isn't the kind of star-in-progress you'd want for a player like Crochet, then perhaps Montgomery is. A broken ankle kept Montgomery from making his pro debut after being taken 12th overall last June out of Texas A&M and might have cost him a few slots in the draft. Toolsy as they come, Montgomery has an 80-grade arm, per McDaniel, that will play well in right field. He has a chance for a plus power-patience combo, but his ability to get the bat on the ball better than he has shown so far will determine his destiny. Meidroth is a potential glue player with positional versatility and features excellent bat-on-ball skills and approach at the plate. His raw tools are mediocre, per McDaniel, and his upside is limited by a lack of power. Gonzalez has attributes as a starter -- stuff and stamina -- but his control and command very much remain works in progress even though he's now a 40-man roster player. Chances are he'll start off in the majors as a reliever with some leverage upside and, if he can smooth out the rough edges, perhaps can be a rotation candidate down the line. It's a solid haul. It is a good enough haul? That entirely depends on whether one or two of these four prospects ascend to All-Star status ... and whether we find out if one of Boston's young stars-in-waiting (Mayer/Anthony/Campbell) was there to be had. -- Doolittle https://global.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/42115076/2024-25-mlb-offseason-grades-free-agency-trade-analysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 On 12/14/2024 at 12:18 PM, GreenSox said: He’s a good backup catcher. We need him. One thing I really like about this trade is that the information asymmetry is about as narrow as you can get. One guy was in the last draft, and the other guy was in the draft right before. We know as much about these guys as once can when trading for prospects. I would like a shortstop too, but a guy has been in their system for a while and is injured - more risk with that. Well, this franchise is not even close to be targeting positions of “need” in the organization. Just the top talent possible. Even if it’s 16 more catchers 😂 hell, it’s better than stockpiling first base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said: Well, this franchise is not even close to be targeting positions of “need” in the organization. Just the top talent possible. Even if it’s 16 more catchers 😂 hell, it’s better than stockpiling first base. Even if we have three legit starting catchers between Lee, Quero, and Teel, you will easily be able to trade one. The odds of us having three real starting catchers is as near zero as the Sox playoff chances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 #InBannisterWeTrust 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 4 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: #InBannisterWeTrust Who prevented him from being himself? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Who prevented him from being himself? Imagine loving all these pitchers you help develop and having to watch them be traded because your ultimate boss is a cheap bastard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Imagine loving all these pitchers you help develop and having to watch them be traded because your ultimate boss is a cheap bastard. I'm busy imagining the pitchers he loves being traded because they're in a rebuild, and Crochet would become a free agent well before their competitive window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 5 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: #InBannisterWeTrust Brian not the only one in the game that feels that way either. A true unicorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Who prevented him from being himself? Did you watch the clip? He is saying it in a way that they protected him from long term problems. They dialed him back because it was best for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 44 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Imagine loving all these pitchers you help develop and having to watch them be traded because your ultimate boss is a cheap bastard. He currently has two pitchers he is developing now that are even better left handed prospects than Crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 46 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I'm busy imagining the pitchers he loves being traded because they're in a rebuild, and Crochet would become a free agent well before their competitive window. I’m sure Bannister understands this but I’m sure he also thinks it sucks that Jerry won’t extend any of them. Crochet is only 25 and age-wise, he fits their competitive window. Money-wise to Jerry, he does not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fielder Jones Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 all 'being himself' means is we were pitching him 3 innings at a time and it was pissing him off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: He currently has two pitchers he is developing now that are even better left handed prospects than Crochet. I guess by using the word "prospect" you might be correct, but Schultz/Smith have about a .1% chance of ever having a stretch of baseball as good as Garret had last year. Think both are really good, but 12.88k/2bb and 2.38 xFIP over 150 innings about as dominant as you can be. Edited December 16 by Look at Ray Ray Run 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 54 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I guess by using the word "prospect" you might be correct, but Schultz/Smith have about a .1% chance of ever having a stretch of baseball as good as Garret had last year. Think both are really good, but 12.88k/2bb and 2.38 xFIP over 150 innings about as dominant as you can be. As dominant as that is, we've basically seen 3 White Sox pitchers do practically that within the last 10 years. 11.8K/1.8BB, 12.6K/2.4 BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I guess by using the word "prospect" you might be correct, but Schultz/Smith have about a .1% chance of ever having a stretch of baseball as good as Garret had last year. Think both are really good, but 12.88k/2bb and 2.38 xFIP over 150 innings about as dominant as you can be. He himself has his work cut for him to match himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 14 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As dominant as that is, we've basically seen 3 White Sox pitchers do practically that within the last 10 years. 11.8K/1.8BB, 12.6K/2.4 BB. So all lefties just need to follow our Sale Q Rodon (2021) Crochet development plan...sounds like a FA strategy, if half of it wasn't tied to Don Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: So all lefties just need to follow our Sale Q Rodon (2021) Crochet development plan...sounds like a FA strategy, if half of it wasn't tied to Don Cooper. For there to be a 0.1% chance of it happening, that's a 1 in 1000 chance. For it to happen 3 times, that would mean the White Sox had 3000 pitchers in the last 10 years. That seems high to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 29 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: He himself has his work cut for him to match himself. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 16 Share Posted December 16 38 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As dominant as that is, we've basically seen 3 White Sox pitchers do practically that within the last 10 years. 11.8K/1.8BB, 12.6K/2.4 BB. Sale's 2015 wasn't that close to Garrett, but his 2017/2018 was better but Sale is a first ballot hall of famer so... No idea who else you're talking about? Giolito and Cease? They never had numbers that close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sale's 2015 wasn't that close to Garrett, but his 2017/2018 was better but Sale is a first ballot hall of famer so... No idea who else you're talking about? Giolito and Cease? They never had numbers that close. Sale in 2015 actually has a better K/BB ratio than Garrett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 17 Share Posted December 17 51 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sale's 2015 wasn't that close to Garrett, but his 2017/2018 was better but Sale is a first ballot hall of famer so... No idea who else you're talking about? Giolito and Cease? They never had numbers that close. Rodon 2021/Cease 2022 Giolito 2018/19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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