Crochet Traded to Boston

[zisk]

only caution sign is they are a bit older. my own feeling is, if you're 23 and haven't 

reached the bigs, you won't be a star....ever. (mike schmidt exception duly noted).

Giving up an elite talent for several good prospects sounds like a chris getz move.

[Kyyle23]

11 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Again, an example how people now state as fact that the Sox lost the Cease trade, and the question is very much up in the air (again, I think the Sox won that trade). But the complainers have to misrepresent so that they can justify being pissy and complaining. No poster more than this one. 

I think the last 3 years justifies being pissy and complaining, but you do you 👍

[hi8is]

3 minutes ago, zisk said:

only caution sign is they are a bit older. my own feeling is, if you're 23 and haven't 

reached the bigs, you won't be a star....ever. (mike schmidt exception duly noted).

Giving up an elite talent for several good prospects sounds like a chris getz move.

😆

The main two pieces were basically just drafted and have been fast rises…

Ok, buddy.

[DirtySox]

 

[2Deep]

I don't pretend to be an expert on prospects but where we are right now as an organization this seems to be a good move.  I like Garrett and wish him the best.  I always worried about him getting hurt when he was pitching.  

I don't know where this organization is headed with the clown as the owner but I really need this team to be good in spite of him (If that's even possible).

It is miserable when your 2 favorite sports teams are the WHITE SOX and the BEARS

[WhiteSox2023]

15 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Again, an example how people now state as fact that the Sox lost the Cease trade, and the question is very much up in the air (again, I think the Sox won that trade). But the complainers have to misrepresent so that they can justify being pissy and complaining. No poster more than this one. 

Almost everything went to crap with the return in that deal.  Not sure how that can be denied.  Sure, there’s still time for them to improve.  However, Cease turned back into an ace with the Padres and I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a better return for Cease right now than Getz did.

The consensus seems to be that the return for this Crochet trade is positive.  That was definitely not the consensus belief for the Cease trade.

But if you want to go ahead and ignore all of this and stay in your happy place, be my guest.

Edited 8 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[zisk]

30 minutes ago, chw42 said:

That was the first thought I had when I saw his profile. Madrigal was never going to really work because he never walked. When you're a little guy, you gotta try to succeed in ways that doesn't always rely on hitting the ball. 

I was surprised in the worst way possible when I saw Madrigal running hard to 1st base the first time.

Anyone judging his ability should have seen that. Overlooking it should get a scout fired.

[Nardiwashere]

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Almost everything went to crap with the return in that deal.  Not sure how that can be denied.  Sure, there’s still time for them to improve.  However, Cease turned back into an ace with the Padres and I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a better return for Cease right now than Getz did.

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[almagest]

4 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I think the last 3 years justifies being pissy and complaining, but you do you 👍

Sure. The last 3 years don't justify calling the Cease trade bad, though. Early returns aren't great, but there's a long way to go. If Thorpe is a solid contributor next year and Zavala rebounds we're looking a lot better. Iriarte has already been solid in AA at age 22 and has a chance to be a contributor as well.

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, zisk said:

I was surprised in the worst way possible when I saw Madrigal running hard to 1st base the first time.

Anyone judging his ability should have seen that. Overlooking it should get a scout fired.

The moment you realized he wasn’t going to hit .330 with all his slappy contact because he has two foot paces.  🤣

[Falstaff]

I am hoping Montgomery fills the RF void.  I love the Sox getting more left-handed hitting. Also acquiring Teel will give Quero more time to season in the minors. Could Korey Lee be moved to 1st when Quero is ready to come up ?

Don't know much about Gonzalez but the 3 bats all have great OBP. 

I'd be a happy camper if the Sox would have extended Crochet, but we all know JR isn't going to pay.

Edited 8 hours ago by Falstaff

[Lip Man 1]

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-trade-garrett-crochet-to-red-sox?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Sox now have six of the top 100 prospects. 

[Kyyle23]

5 minutes ago, almagest said:

Sure. The last 3 years don't justify calling the Cease trade bad, though. Early returns aren't great, but there's a long way to go. If Thorpe is a solid contributor next year and Zavala rebounds we're looking a lot better. Iriarte has already been solid in AA at age 22 and has a chance to be a contributor as well.

I was speaking generally.  Although the above examples rely on Thorpes elbow being ok, which as a Sox fan just isn’t something I want to trust because we have seen these elbows continue to pop.  And also means I have to trust that the development of the secondary prospects is done correctly.  And again, there isn’t much for me to trust here

[steveno89]

4 minutes ago, zisk said:

I was surprised in the worst way possible when I saw Madrigal running hard to 1st base the first time.

Anyone judging his ability should have seen that. Overlooking it should get a scout fired.

2018 turned out to be a really weak top of the draft for bats overall

Madrigal's defense was majorly overrated, and you cannot select a player in the top five that has 20-30 grade pop at best even with a good hit tool.

[fathom]

9 minutes ago, zisk said:

I was surprised in the worst way possible when I saw Madrigal running hard to 1st base the first time.

Anyone judging his ability should have seen that. Overlooking it should get a scout fired.

I remember how he looked like the worst starter on Oregon St in the CWS

[steveno89]

6 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

I am hoping Montgomery fills the RF void.  I love the Sox getting more left-handed hitting. Also acquiring Teel will give Quero more time to season in the minors. Could Korey Lee be moved to 1st when Quero is ready to come up ?

Don't know much about Gonzalez but the 3 bats all have great OBP. 

I'd be a happy camper if the Sox would have extended Crochet, but we all know JR isn't going to pay.

Zero chance Korey Lee has the bat to profile at 1B in the major leagues 

[fathom]

6 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

I am hoping Montgomery fills the RF void.  I love the Sox getting more left-handed hitting. Also acquiring Teel will give Quero more time to season in the minors. Could Korey Lee be moved to 1st when Quero is ready to come up ?

Don't know much about Gonzalez but the 3 bats all have great OBP. 

I'd be a happy camper if the Sox would have extended Crochet, but we all know JR isn't going to pay.

Lee’s not good, and his only plus tool is his throwing arm.

[Texsox]

I'm trying to find anything about their leadership qualities and all I find are baseball stats. 

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Again, an example how people now state as fact that the Sox lost the Cease trade, and the question is very much up in the air (again, I think the Sox won that trade). But the complainers have to misrepresent so that they can justify being pissy and complaining. No poster more than this one. 

But being pissy and complaining about the complainers... chef's kiss.

[DirtySox]

I know we like to meme about Nick Madrigal, but he didn't walk anywhere near as much as Meidroth does.

That being said him becoming a solid utility IF guy is fine for his place in the deal.

Edited 8 hours ago by DirtySox

[southsider2k5]

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Almost everything went to crap with the return in that deal.  Not sure how that can be denied.  Sure, there’s still time for them to improve.  However, Cease turned back into an ace with the Padres and I wouldn’t be surprised if they could get a better return for Cease right now than Getz did.

The consensus seems to be that the return for this Crochet trade is positive.  That was definitely not the consensus belief for the Cease trade.

But if you want to go ahead and ignore all of this and stay in your happy place, be my guest.

They managed to get back to back playoff appearances out of the first deal, which isn't nothing, but then they decided they would nuke themselves from within.

[Quin]

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-trade-garrett-crochet-to-red-sox?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

Sox now have six of the top 100 prospects. 

During the previous rebuild they had 10. The rankings are fun, but don't mean anything unless they produce.

[almagest]

6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I was speaking generally.  Although the above examples rely on Thorpes elbow being ok, which as a Sox fan just isn’t something I want to trust because we have seen these elbows continue to pop.  And also means I have to trust that the development of the secondary prospects is done correctly.  And again, there isn’t much for me to trust here

You can be skeptical, and I think we all are, but that's a lot different than declaring the trade a failure already.

Also, if you're assuming failure on prospect development in general, then the Crochet trade is a failure already.

[Balta1701]

11 minutes ago, almagest said:

Sure. The last 3 years don't justify calling the Cease trade bad, though. Early returns aren't great, but there's a long way to go. If Thorpe is a solid contributor next year and Zavala rebounds we're looking a lot better. Iriarte has already been solid in AA at age 22 and has a chance to be a contributor as well.

The Cease trade looked bad at the start, Thorpe was all right but the other two didn't look that great at the time. Zavala had a long way to go and a lot of things that could go wrong, and Iriarte seemed like a wild card. That trade looked much weaker than this one at the start, and that's not even considering that Thorpe might have gotten the "Yankee prospect boost".

[Nardiwashere]

3 minutes ago, Quin said:

During the previous rebuild they had 10. The rankings are fun, but don't mean anything unless they produce.

True but it means something.  I'd rather have more than less.