State of the farm system

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

All of the failure?  Not even remotely.  He's the only one who knew what he was doing even though his department was a massive and complete failure?  lol-worthy.

How is it a failure when they didn't get a regular stream of top talent to develop? It's kind of telling that Hahn/KW moved Hostetler out of his position, and Paddy allegedly sat in limbo for a year before his firing. Again, either Getz is a master at passing blame and getting others fired, or he didn't have what he needed to do his job. One requires a big leap to pretend, the other is pretty logical. 

[greg775]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

And Cub fans enjoy seeing the Sox lose 121 games with no path to respectability.

Here's a way for you to believe me that I am not a Cub fan and can't even name five guys on their team ... folks on here I think know I am Catholic and try to be a devout worshiper and all that. So ... I swear on a stack of Bibles, I swear on my religion that I am not a Cub fan, don't follow the Cubs, can't even tell you their record this past season or where they finished (I know they were flirting with the playoffs for a while) and AM a diehard Sox fan and have been for decades. So does that do it for you? I would not swear on Bibles if it were not the truth, sir. ... As a caveat my gramps took me to a lot of Cub games as a kid (age 10-13) and yes while in Wrigley at those contests did at that time root for the Cubs while at the same time attending Sox games with my dad and enjoying that ballclub and its park much more than the northside.

Edited Friday at 09:32 PM by greg775

[WestEddy]

41 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

All of the failure?  Not even remotely.  He's the only one who knew what he was doing even though his department was a massive and complete failure?  lol-worthy.

And this seems to imply that Jerry Reinsdorf spared no expense to modernize player development under Getz, bringing in state-of-the-art everything, Paddy and Hostetler bringing in the best prospects in the game, and Getz just sat on his thumb. 

[southsider2k5]

28 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

How is it a failure when they didn't get a regular stream of top talent to develop? It's kind of telling that Hahn/KW moved Hostetler out of his position, and Paddy allegedly sat in limbo for a year before his firing. Again, either Getz is a master at passing blame and getting others fired, or he didn't have what he needed to do his job. One requires a big leap to pretend, the other is pretty logical. 

Good lord.  Do you even believe this?  All of the draft picks they had and listed top prospects and trade acquisitions are disqualified here?  Let me guess, they all had bad attitudes, right?  Good lord.

[southsider2k5]

18 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Here's a way for you to believe me that I am not a Cub fan and can't even name five guys on their team ... folks on here I think know I am Catholic and try to be a devout worshiper and all that. So ... I swear on a stack of Bibles, I swear on my religion that I am not a Cub fan, don't follow the Cubs, can't even tell you their record this past season or where they finished (I know they were flirting with the playoffs for a while) and AM a diehard Sox fan and have been for decades. So does that do it for you? I would not swear on Bibles if it were not the truth, sir. ... As a caveat my gramps took me to a lot of Cub games as a kid (age 10-13) and yes while in Wrigley at those contests did at that time root for the Cubs while at the same time attending Sox games with my dad and enjoying that ballclub and its park much more than the northside.

Bro, we KNOW that this is a lame act.  Spare me the I swear on my mommy crap.

[southsider2k5]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And this seems to imply that Jerry Reinsdorf spared no expense to modernize player development under Getz, bringing in state-of-the-art everything, Paddy and Hostetler bringing in the best prospects in the game, and Getz just sat on his thumb. 

And if the implication is that Jerry did nothing for Getz in these areas before, are we supposed to believe that all of this magically changed just because Chris nicely asked him?    GMAB.

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And if the implication is that Jerry did nothing for Getz in these areas before, are we supposed to believe that all of this magically changed just because Chris nicely asked him?    GMAB.

No. It changed because the VP telling him they didn't need all that was fired, and the new GM told him they did. I'm not sure how that registers as "far fetched" for you. 

[Dick Allen]

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And if the implication is that Jerry did nothing for Getz in these areas before, are we supposed to believe that all of this magically changed just because Chris nicely asked him?    GMAB.

And if it has changed because Getz asked him, why didn't he ask before? It amazes me ,for a team so concerned about every dollar, they blow off the cheapest way to be good, develop your own. 

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No. It changed because the VP telling him they didn't need all that was fired, and the new GM told him they did. I'm not sure how that registers as "far fetched" for you. 

So the VP in charge was telling Jerry that he didn't need resources, and I am the one who is believing far fetched things.  Got it.

[PaleAleSox]

3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

And if it has changed because Getz asked him, why didn't he ask before? It amazes me ,for a team so concerned about every dollar, they blow off the cheapest way to be good, develop your own. 

Maybe that's how Getz got Hahn out of his way and got the job with no search at all. Went to JR and told him I can do this for cheaper and here is how. 

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Good lord.  Do you even believe this?  All of the draft picks they had and listed top prospects and trade acquisitions are disqualified here?  Let me guess, they all had bad attitudes, right?  Good lord.

Like Joseph Reinsdorf and Larry King's kids? 

Or maybe KW and Haber bum rushed the war room and told them to draft Zack Collins instead of ... I don't know. Will Smith or Sean Murphy? And this pre-supposes that you truly believe that Nick Madrigal and Zack Collins would be on HOF tracks had they been developed properly. 

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

And if it has changed because Getz asked him, why didn't he ask before? It amazes me ,for a team so concerned about every dollar, they blow off the cheapest way to be good, develop your own. 

And it amazes me that people actually believe that a lower, entry level hire would make that decision for an entire organization. 

Maybe Getz was trying to modernize development, and got stiff-armed every step of the way. Weird that the first thing he did when made GM was start modernizing development. Almost as if it had been a burning goal of his for a while. 

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Like Joseph Reinsdorf and Larry King's kids? 

Or maybe KW and Haber bum rushed the war room and told them to draft Zack Collins instead of ... I don't know. Will Smith or Sean Murphy? And this pre-supposes that you truly believe that Nick Madrigal and Zack Collins would be on HOF tracks had they been developed properly. 

Or maybe the guy who ran player development, and had pretty much no talent develop while he was doing the job... hold on, this gets really complicated... wasn't actually good at player development? 

Whoa, right?

 

But no, I am sure they literally picked the wrong guy in every single international signing, draft pick, and MiLB trade.

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Maybe that's how Getz got Hahn out of his way and got the job with no search at all. Went to JR and told him I can do this for cheaper and here is how. 

That can't possibly be true!! Because everybody in the front office is so incompetent that they can't even speak; they roll around on the floor and make whale noises. 

This isn't even being a "Chris Getz fan". I'm sorry, but not even being able to entertain the possibility that the current GM may have been frustrated in his job by the previous bosses belies some deeper problem. It's common knowledge that any area you can think of, the White Sox were behind the rest of the league. So I'm not sure why it's unacceptable to suggest that without any of the tools and updated methods that other teams used to evaluate and develop players, Chris Getz was doomed from the get-go. 

[greg775]

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Bro, we KNOW that this is a lame act.  Spare me the I swear on my mommy crap.

I thought we moved past this Cubs stuff. Geez.

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Or maybe the guy who ran player development, and had pretty much no talent develop while he was doing the job... hold on, this gets really complicated... wasn't actually good at player development? 

Whoa, right?

 

But no, I am sure they literally picked the wrong guy in every single international signing, draft pick, and MiLB trade.

Again, if they refused to update themselves, even into the same century, with the appropriate resources, I'm not sure what kind of baseball player whisperer you secretly dreamed of Chris Getz being. 

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Again, if they refused to update themselves, even into the same century, with the appropriate resources, I'm not sure what kind of baseball player whisperer you secretly dreamed of Chris Getz being. 

Apparently he is a fraction of the player development guy that Kenny Williams was by your own definition, because he was able to churn guys out with even less resources. 

But sure, I am going to believe that some "resources" were the problem, somehow the person responsible for approving resources hasn't changed, but now that problem is all better because Chris asked, and somehow Kenny and Rick were refusing any extra resources for some weird reason that has never been stated or outlined.

But again, this isn't far fetched.

[southsider2k5]

20 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And it amazes me that people actually believe that a lower, entry level hire would make that decision for an entire organization. 

Maybe Getz was trying to modernize development, and got stiff-armed every step of the way. Weird that the first thing he did when made GM was start modernizing development. Almost as if it had been a burning goal of his for a while. 

So Chris Getz is now a lower entry level hire... yet fully qualified to run an entire baseball franchise, complete with the knowledge of everything that needs to be done.  WTAF.

[PaleAleSox]

There is no point in arguing about any of this because you are going to have to wait 2 years to see if Getz is a fraud or if he was being held back by the previous regime. Pace yourselves.

[caulfield12]

Who could the White Sox possibly sign to 1-3 year deals except overpays...vets on their last contracts or rehabbing guys like a Hays or Conforto that will bolt at the very chance to escape?

[PaleAleSox]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Who could the White Sox possibly sign to 1-3 year deals except overpays...vets on their last contracts or rehabbing guys like a Hays or Conforto that will bolt at the very chance to escape?

Conforto already signed with the Dodgers.

[caulfield12]

42 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

That can't possibly be true!! Because everybody in the front office is so incompetent that they can't even speak; they roll around on the floor and make whale noises. 

This isn't even being a "Chris Getz fan". I'm sorry, but not even being able to entertain the possibility that the current GM may have been frustrated in his job by the previous bosses belies some deeper problem. It's common knowledge that any area you can think of, the White Sox were behind the rest of the league. So I'm not sure why it's unacceptable to suggest that without any of the tools and updated methods that other teams used to evaluate and develop players, Chris Getz was doomed from the get-go. 

Hahn wasn't even allowed to name his own manager...but is now slowly being made to look almost like a sympathetic Shakespearean character and not a major villain lol.

[caulfield12]

4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Conforto already signed with the Dodgers.

I meant coming off his Mets' deal with an injury rehab.

Brandon Woodruff and Hays might be better examples.  HaSeong Kim.

Questionable (at best) character guys like Clevinger/Bauer, etc.

B/C/D free agent guys just haven't worked.  At all.

[Texsox]

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

It's kind of the same with Crochet...dealing one of the best young LHPers in the game, only to (hopefully) replace him with Schultz and Smith.

It's all about timing. 

[WestEddy]

57 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So Chris Getz is now a lower entry level hire... yet fully qualified to run an entire baseball franchise, complete with the knowledge of everything that needs to be done.  WTAF.

Player development is entry level. Always has been. Yes, after 9 years of FO experience, he was promoted to GM.