Gene Honda Civic Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 This is going to be a huge game. I'm sure Michigan will be fairly heavily favored. But I expect it to be much closer than most think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 MEEEEECHIGAN! OSU will crap the horseshoe that has been stuck up their butt for 2 seasons....hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Michigan wins. Perry has over 200 yards rushing and Michigan wins it in the fourth quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I voted UM by 3 to 7. It's at the 'Big House,' yet OSU always seems to make things interesting with everybody. I think UM will be too tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I very seldom post a pre-game predicition on a specific gasme in which I am emotionally invested but without telling anyone how I voted in this poll, I note: Michigan defense is better than OSU defense UM offense way better than OSU offense Coach Carr will not lose 3 years in a row to OSU UM will not lose 3 years in a row to OSU the game is at our house my grandson, undefeated at home and on the road, will be there Michigan is on a mission knowing it blew by a handful of points two games which is keeping it from the Sugar Bowl and to accomplish its goals must win this game factor in the game being THE game and it being #4 against #5 for the Rose Bowl berth or more and all the passion that rides in a Big 2 (as opposed to Little 8/9) game with everything on the line... and the game is on November 22nd... a date that means something in this series... think about the 1976 score It's all about Blue, baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 16, 2003 Author Share Posted November 16, 2003 Michigan wins. Perry has over 200 yards rushing and Michigan wins it in the fourth quarter. There's no way perry rushes for 200.... Michigan does have one of the best O-lines in the country, but OSu has the top rush defense in the country. Combine that with the way that Carr called other losses, Iowa & Oregon, Where Perry rushed a combined 35 times for 116yds. Iowa has a very simillar defensive style to OSU. There's no doubt in my mind that michigan is a more talented team. OSU has shown over the past two year that they know how to win the close games. Michigan on the other hand, have found ways to lose them; Iowa game - what was with that punt formation? Oregon game - Carr spends game with head in ass, gives Perry the ball only 11 times. OSU will no doubt focus on stopping the run. Navarre has shown that if you give him enough rope, he's pretty good at hanging himself with it. Assuming OSU stops the run early Carr will scrap the run game, OSU can pin thier ears back and rush Navarre, who'll rush throws and make mistakes. If Michigan wants to win this game they need to score early, run Perry early and often, and avoid being stunk in 3rd & long. Still, because of thier talent and the home field advatage, I have to give michigan a slight edge in this game. Though if they don't pull this one out, I see the same situation for Carr that faced Cooper @ OSU. This is the most important game of the year regardless of record, if Carr loses to Tressel again, I don't know if he'll be back at Michigan next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Well, I think Michigan is going to win this game, but I am not too confident. The following points worry me : Chris Perry against a good rushing defense. Perry has had a great year, but he doesn't dominate against the better defenses. I would be satisfied with 90 yards. John Navarre against a good secondary. Ohio St. covered well against Purdue and forced Orton to throw the ball away. Navarre has a bad habit of forcing his passes when nobody is open, resulting in interceptions. Michigan has atrocious special teams. Opponents are running kicks back to midfield, our punting team has gotten numerous punts blocks, and finley has botched several. Rivas has potential but is not reliable, he missed another against northwestern. Reasons I think Michigan will win : John Navarre, is a fifth year senior, the fans have been on his back since he lost to UCLA in 2000, he has lost his 2 prior starts to Ohio St., he embarrassed Michigan the last time Michigan and Ohio St. played in Ann Arbor, and his fumble cost michigan the game last year in Columbus. To say the least, he has a boatload of incentive. The O-Line is good enough to keep Will Smith at bay. If Navarre has time Michigan has a great chance, but if the O-Line crumbles and OSU gets pressure on Navarre...watch out. I believe that the line will be able to handle OSU. The recieving corps. is one of the best in the country. Edwards, Avant, Breaston might just be good enough to overcome this OSU secondary. If Navarre spreads the wealth and gets the ball to Massaquoi(as i have pleaded all year), then Michigan should win this game. The defense has been superb since the Minnesotta game. Shazor, and Jackson have been enourmous (when Jackson is healthy). Leseur has also had a nice year at corner, and will have to cover Jenkins. On the line, I think Woodley will have a standout performance, he has been under the shadows as a true freshman, but he is lightning fast and I think he will have Krenzel on the run. I am 0-1 at Michigan vs. Ohio St. games, I hope to even the score Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 The national media is already predicting a Wolverine blow out. That scares me. I also remember Navarre's last 2 games vs. the Poison Nuts. 2001, had to be the single worst half of football I have seen from a Michigan team. Remember Carr pulling Navarre for Gonzalez in the 1st half, then letting a shotgun snap sail over his head for like a 20 yard loss? Ugh. But, no matter how bad Navarre was last year, we had a chance to win. If that pass to Edwards is a little higher, he grabs it and the Wolverines pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 Mid week --- I'm bored... Let's see if we I can start a fight... OSU wins by 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Michigan wins. Perry has over 200 yards rushing and Michigan wins it in the fourth quarter. OK, so Michigan didn't win it in the 4th quarter, but Perry had 200 total yards including over 150 rushing yards. Can I get a cookie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 1. There's no way perry rushes for 200.... Michigan does have one of the best O-lines in the country, but 1.a. OSu has the top rush defense in the country. 2. OSU will no doubt focus on stopping the run. 3. Navarre has shown that if you give him enough rope, he's pretty good at hanging himself with it. Assuming OSU stops the run early Carr will scrap the run game, OSU can pin thier ears back and rush Navarre, who'll rush throws and make mistakes. 4. if Carr loses to Tressel again, I don't know if he'll be back at Michigan next year. 1. How about over 200 yeards to total offense from Perry? 1a. Oh? They hadn't faced anyone like Michigan. 2. Lot of good that did them. 3. Not the last two seasons, that is not true at all. 4. That was never at issue. Carr is there as long as he wants to be. Repeat, that was never at issue. It was a dominating performance. If that one touchdown had not been called back, UM may have totally rolled them. As it was, OSU has lived off things like that all year and they got a boost from the called back touchdown, and that kept the roll over from happening. I understand that the ref's call was good, that indeed Michigan was holding on that play. The kid and I ended up on the field. It was a great day, But then: It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 Half the country knew Michigan was going to win in a romp. 49% was in denial and the other 1% is Ohio St. fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I rooted for Michigan cuz my English teacher said we get extra-credit points cuz he's a Michigan so HELL YEAH! That takes me from a D to a C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 What was with Lloyd Carr being a total douche bag at half time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 What was with Lloyd Carr being a total douche bag at half time? ah, here comes Mr. Sarcastic. I would argue it was an approprate response to a really dumb question offered in the style of Bo and Woody. Coach Carr however felt his response was wrong and opened Sunday's broadcast of Michigan Replay with an extended and profound apology to the reporter and to ABC, and also gave direct apologies to the reporter and to ABC. Want the links to the apologies or will you just keep bashing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Mitch Albom A victory, an apology and an vital lesson at the Big House By MITCH ALBOM Detroit Free Press DETROIT - The mark of a gentleman is that he behaves like one even when he doesn't feel like it, and Lloyd Carr didn't feel like it as he ran off at halftime of the Michigan-Ohio State game. For a moment, in ungentlemanly fashion, he let mood dictate behavior. An ABC reporter fired a question about why Michigan had just run out the clock when it had three timeouts left. Carr glared at him. "Why would you ask a dumb question like that?" he said. When the reporter tried again, Carr ignored him and walked away, shaking his head as if the guy were an idiot. Now, that was wrong. It was rude. But it happens. You are not always at your best when the camera flicks on. The mark of who you are is how you own up to it. So let it be noted here that Carr, the day after, did just that. "I sincerely regret my behavior yesterday to Todd Harris," he said over the phone from his Ann Arbor home Sunday. "I was rude, and that was inexcusable." He wasn't reading from a statement. He was talking. He was genuinely sorry. And, more to the point, he had already told his team the same thing. Listen, men, I shouldn't have done that, he told them. You don't act like that. "I expect a lot out of my players," he said, "and it's only fair that I live by the same standards. "Was it a fair question? Yeah. It was a fair question. I could explain why it bothered me, but that wouldn't excuse it. What's important is that I shouldn't have behaved that way. It was wrong." Now, this might not be the kind of thing you would expect to hear from a coach the day after he beat the archest of his arch-rivals, the day after a glorious, bloody victory in a 100-game war. On a day like that, you might expect a coach to howl and holler and wave the carcass of his vanquished foe and dare anyone to question anything he does. Carr isn't like that. It is something Michigan can be proudest of. John Navarre, similarly, showed the depth of his character this weekend. For several years, the Wolverines quarterback had been the whipping boy for frustrated Michigan fans, who not only anguished over their school's failure to contend for the national championship, but bemoaned its back-to-back losses to Ohio State. Navarre, during this time, was more like a Lions quarterback, blamed for everything, a human frustration receptacle. So when he helped deliver the convincing victory Saturday - his last regular-season game for the Wolverines - Navarre could have pounded his chest. He could have told the media to kiss his butt, that he had nothing to say. Instead, he spoke thoughtfully and, at times, tearfully, of what it meant to win Saturday's game, and to leave college with a Big Ten title. "The reality was I was going to be defined by the game," he said Saturday, "so I worked harder and prepared harder, and so did this team. I wouldn't be at any other place than this, and I wouldn't want to share it with any other group of guys." You know what they call that? Maturity. Let's be honest: The pressure of college football is like a vat of boiling tar bubbling inches beneath your feet. The things Carr and Navarre deal with these days are different than they were even 15 years ago. Sports talk radio is pervasive; it creates a Greek chorus that can echo endlessly with criticism. And the Internet is a whole new source of venom, with cowards able to hide behind anonymous yet worldwide insults. After Saturday's victory, Carr called those types of attacks on Navarre "despicable." On Sunday, he elaborated: "When you're a coach, you expect to deal with those things. But I really feel it's wrong to hold college athletes to the same standards and scrutiny as we do professionals." He sighed. I see this stuff taking a toll on Carr. Over the years, he looks more tired, he sighs more often, and I get the sense he has to focus harder on being the gentleman who once came so easily to him. This is life under the magnifying glass: the flaws seem bigger, the heat gets hotter. So Michigan fans should really savor Saturday. For one thing, U-M seemed like the only school in America delirious to win its conference and go to a bowl. Players weren't arguing for BCS points. They wanted Pasadena. Besides, who knows how much longer Carr will want to put up with this stuff? He said Sunday, "I loved every minute of the last seven days" but football is a lot more than that one week, and incidents like Saturday's halftime eruption may be more telling than they look. This game just wears you out. Michigan 35, Ohio State 21. It was a good run for the roses. And who thought a game so steeped in blood and guts also could teach a few things about men and manners? story link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 ah, here comes Mr. Sarcastic. I would argue it was an approprate response to a really dumb question offered in the style of Bo and Woody. Coach Carr however felt his response was wrong and opened Sunday's broadcast of Michigan Replay with an extended and profound apology to the reporter and to ABC, and also gave direct apologies to the reporter and to ABC. Want the links to the apologies or will you just keep bashing? Keep bashing wtf dude. I was not alone in thinking it was an asshole thing to say obviously, if Saint Lloyd himself thought so. When they went back to the studio all the analysts (including a former coach) said he shouldn't have been so rude and should have answered the question. But no, I am just mr. sarcasm unjustly bashing an epic leader. You know what, f*** you asshole. You think the only reason I said that is cause I had some vendetta against Michigan, but I would have said the same thing about Tressell if he pulled that s***. I don't care if he apologized, and I don't care if Mitch Albom makes excuses and I don't care if you are offended by me calling him a douche bag, it was still an asshole thing to say. MY APOLOGIES if I did not scour the country for articles on his apology. I will never committ such a disgraceful act. Is that enough sarcasm, f***face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 MrSarcastic was put in green to sggest that while you have attacked Michigan and its program before, I was doing a double green, double negative, saying in effect that you are not sarcastic. Appreciation of Irony and a gentle tweking humor are in short supply these days it seems. Much discussion was held on a UM message site on the comments and your view was the majority one, and it turns out, your view was Coach Carr's view, hence, his apology. However, friend, whatever level of sarcasim and vulgarity you wish to go with, please do feel free. Hope school and life in New Englad is going well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Now we all know how much I am a fan of Michigan, but I did see his apology. It was the first thing he said. He was truely sorry, guess he got caught up in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 MrSarcastic was put in green to sggest that while you have attacked Michigan and its program before, I was doing a double green, double negative, saying in effect that you are not sarcastic. Appreciation of Irony and a gentle tweking humor are in short supply these days it seems. Much discussion was held on a UM message site on the comments and your view was the majority one, and it turns out, your view was Coach Carr's view, hence, his apology. However, friend, whatever level of sarcasim and vulgarity you wish to go with, please do feel free. Hope school and life in New Englad is going well. Want the links to the apologies or will you just keep bashing? Was this is in green? I didn't see any double negative there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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