southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM 53 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I will never get why you think anyone is mad. You just said you're shitty and I agree . I'm not mad you feel so shitty. I want good things for the Sox .Apparently you like wallowing in it. Aw. Poor you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM 34 minutes ago, ptatc said: Being negative and wallowing sells. People would rather complain and moan instead of look for hope. Society today. Except the ballpark is more empty than ever, and the teams ratings are essentially 0. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:54 PM (edited) 45 minutes ago, ptatc said: Being negative and wallowing sells. People would rather complain and moan instead of look for hope. Society today. Perpetual rebuilds and losing will do that to most fans. Let’s blame the fans, not the greedy loser in charge of the team. Edited Saturday at 07:55 PM by WhiteSox2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 08:03 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:03 PM 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Perpetual rebuilds and losing will do that to most fans. Let’s blame the fans, not the greedy loser in charge of the team. Who is blaming the fans? They can do whatever they want. Just the way people are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 08:04 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:04 PM 22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Except the ballpark is more empty than ever, and the teams ratings are essentially 0. Yeah, but social media and reporting is making huge profits. Negativity sells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 08:06 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:06 PM 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: Who is blaming the fans? They can do whatever they want. Just the way people are. Your post is obviously putting a negative spin on such a reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 08:08 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:08 PM 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: Yeah, but social media and reporting is making huge profits. Negativity sells. Not for CHGO apparently. No one cares about the White Sox because they are so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 08:15 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:15 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Your post is obviously putting a negative spin on such a reaction. That's true I guess. People would much prefer to go the easy route and be negative instead of looking at the changes made and choose to give the new people a chance. I guess I just don't understand why the lack of objectivity and having open minds. Edited Saturday at 08:19 PM by ptatc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 08:21 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:21 PM 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's true I guess. People would much prefer to go the easy route and be negative instead of looking at the changes made and choose to give the new people a chance. I guess I just don't umderstand why the lack of objectivity and having open minds. Easier, still, to pretend that a 3rd party is controlling their own actions, a team owner forces them to dump on any comment, like a slap in the face, over and over. It's always weird how those who get mad for being called out for constant negativity don't accept that a bad team owner has made the generally positive person push back on them. Bad owners are only to blame for their own aggressive actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Saturday at 08:23 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:23 PM 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Nah as much as I appreciate you Lip I'll be fine with a 15 game improvement in 2025 and 1 year closer to what you think will happen ( which is the most likely scenario). No worries, I appreciate your posts since you obviously take a lot of time thinking them through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:27 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: We just saw a full house-cleaning, but sure, let's do that every 3 years, regardless. I guess I missed new ownership walking in the door and the hiring of a new G.M. not connected in any way shape or form to the old ownership to say nothing of the issues being caused by the V/P of marketing who from what everyone has told me who is connected with the organization has made head scratching moves that has cost the franchise millions of dollars. What the Sox have done may result (notice I said may) in a modest improvement but JR still has 51% of the vote. That means a backward thinking approach to the minor leagues, self imposed limits on acquisition of talent by any and all means and an unwillingness to take any risks. Until that changes this franchise will continue to be incompetent, dysfunctional and inept. We have not, repeat not, seen a full house cleaning. Edited Saturday at 08:44 PM by Lip Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted Saturday at 08:29 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:29 PM 4 hours ago, WestEddy said: That's the guy who thinks the White Sox only have 3 pitching prospects in the minors. It doesn't take much effort to see that the 2025 White Sox could be a replacement level team and win 50 games. But they won't let themselves say it. Yeah aren’t you the guy who included Shane Drohan as one of our legit pitching prospects in that same discussion lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted Saturday at 08:30 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:30 PM 10 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Explaining why isn't going to change your mind. It might just be the difference between optimism and pessimism. You can't be a coach or player with a defeatist attitude .I'd like to think there will be great progress among many of the pitchers and some of the hitters. This is a message board, I’m interested in seeing why he thought this team would win 50 or more games. I wasn’t looking for someone to “change my mind”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 08:34 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 08:34 PM 32 minutes ago, ptatc said: Yeah, but social media and reporting is making huge profits. Negativity sells. Reporting is dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 08:37 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 08:37 PM 22 minutes ago, ptatc said: That's true I guess. People would much prefer to go the easy route and be negative instead of looking at the changes made and choose to give the new people a chance. I guess I just don't understand why the lack of objectivity and having open minds. Objectivity is a misnomer here. We have history to base observations and expectations on, and do not need blind faith. There is nothing to say that the happy people are any more objective that the upset ones, just because you agree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 08:44 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:44 PM 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Objectivity is a misnomer here. We have history to base observations and expectations on, and do not need blind faith. There is nothing to say that the happy people are any more objective that the upset ones, just because you agree with them. I disagree with pretty much all of this. No one is taking the extreme and having blind faith. Objectivity means taking a look at all sides. Not just sticking to one view all the time. This may be a foreign concepts to many. All I said is I don't understand the negativity of not giving someone a chance. I didn't take a side or agree with anyone. I didn't say are going to win the world series and we should all believe they will do well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 08:45 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:45 PM 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Reporting is dead. This is unfortunately true. Objective reporting is dead its just a certain narrative and people's spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM 3 minutes ago, ptatc said: This is unfortunately true. Objective reporting is dead its just a certain narrative and people's spin. Watch an interview today compared to 10 years ago. Hosts of shows interrupt their guests, scream at their guests if they don't agree with the popular narrative. My take is Soros got to 'em. Just my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 09:17 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:17 PM 50 minutes ago, T R U said: Yeah aren’t you the guy who included Shane Drohan as one of our legit pitching prospects in that same discussion lol. At one point, I would have considered Jonathan Stiever a starting pitching prospect. Injuries. They happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 09:33 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 09:33 PM 51 minutes ago, ptatc said: I disagree with pretty much all of this. No one is taking the extreme and having blind faith. Objectivity means taking a look at all sides. Not just sticking to one view all the time. This may be a foreign concepts to many. All I said is I don't understand the negativity of not giving someone a chance. I didn't take a side or agree with anyone. I didn't say are going to win the world series and we should all believe they will do well. And refusing to look at the Sox history and looking only for positives is by definition not objective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:49 PM (edited) 43 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And refusing to look at the Sox history and looking only for positives is by definition not objective. This is wrong as it's a new front office and they've created new positions and a structure that they've never had before. No one knows if it will work but there isn't information to make a decision either way. Edited Saturday at 10:13 PM by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Saturday at 10:25 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 10:25 PM 38 minutes ago, ptatc said: This is wrong as it's a new front office and they've created new positions and a structure that they've never had before. No one knows if it will work but there isn't information to make a decision either way. It's the same owner. And we have done this before. Many times. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Saturday at 10:27 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:27 PM 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It's the same owner. And we have done this before. Many times. We have? I always thought the argument was that Jerry is too loyal and never changes anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Saturday at 10:30 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:30 PM 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: We have? I always thought the argument was that Jerry is too loyal and never changes anything. He is far to loyal and only changes things when he is basically left with no other choice. The White Sox react...they aren't an organization that is ahead of the curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Saturday at 10:32 PM Share Posted Saturday at 10:32 PM (edited) 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: We have? I always thought the argument was that Jerry is too loyal and never changes anything. Who was Jerry’s immediate choice for new GM after admitting that he did not interview anyone else outside of the organization, or anyone else period? Edited Saturday at 10:33 PM by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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