Draft Kings sets Sox O/U at 49.5 wins

[southsider2k5]

12 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

That response made no sense whatsoever. It didn't even remotely respond to anything I said.

Everyone in this thread is now dumber from reading your response . I award you no points  and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

 

That's it.  Let it all out.  Grrrrr.  Poor guy.

[southsider2k5]

15 hours ago, ptatc said:

I didn't see a significant structural change with all of the new postions with the intent to make the entire organization more efficient and consistent.

Nothing about all of these changes sound or look familiar. They've never had an organizational director of pitching and an organizational director of hitting.

New titles isn't really impressive to me when the same people who caused the problems are still here. Even if someone now has that title, it wasn't like Don Cooper wasn't leading the organization in pitching before Katz got here.

Honestly I wish I could blindly believe again.  It was much nicer.

[ptatc]

13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

New titles isn't really impressive to me when the same people who caused the problems are still here. Even if someone now has that title, it wasn't like Don Cooper wasn't leading the organization in pitching before Katz got here.

Honestly I wish I could blindly believe again.  It was much nicer.

They aren't new titles. They are new positions and a new organizational structure to bring the team at least into this century. 

I understand why people don't want to believe that it will work. What I don't understand is why people automatically default to it's the white sox so it won't work.

[WhiteSox2023]

6 minutes ago, ptatc said:

They aren't new titles. They are new positions and a new organizational structure to bring the team at least into this century. 

I understand why people don't want to believe that it will work. What I don't understand is why people automatically default to it's the white sox so it won't work.

Years of failure under the same owner.  This isn’t at all difficult to understand.

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, ptatc said:

They aren't new titles. They are new positions and a new organizational structure to bring the team at least into this century. 

I understand why people don't want to believe that it will work. What I don't understand is why people automatically default to it's the white sox so it won't work.

Because all of the same factors that made them previously failures are still in charge.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

That's it.  Let it all out.  Grrrrr.  Poor guy.

I think you need a hug. 🫂

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

Because all of the same factors that made them previously failures are still in charge.

Doesn't seem like it to me. If you are going to pin everything even the poor offense down to the ownership so be it. That group is the only one left.

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Years of failure under the same owner.  This isn’t at all difficult to understand.

Really, the owners signed and developed that poor offense? Decided to make crochet a starter?

There were substantial changes in the organization if you prefer to stick to the narrative of "no matter what changes are made, the Sox won't win until there is a new owner" enjoy yourself.

I know you won't change the narrative and give new people a chance. Personally, i just understand that reasoning.

[WestEddy]

37 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Really, the owners signed and developed that poor offense? Decided to make crochet a starter?

There were substantial changes in the organization if you prefer to stick to the narrative of "no matter what changes are made, the Sox won't win until there is a new owner" enjoy yourself.

I know you won't change the narrative and give new people a chance. Personally, i just understand that reasoning.

It's as if they think Reinsdorf has a sign on the wall he keeps tapping, reading, "Remember our goal is to suck, cheaply". 

[southsider2k5]

53 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Doesn't seem like it to me. If you are going to pin everything even the poor offense down to the ownership so be it. That group is the only one left.

We failed last year completely.   Offense.  Defense.  Pitching.  Minor Leagues gave us nothing.  We made terrible trades, and failed at churning the waiver wire.  You don't lose 121 games because of a bad offense. 

[fathom]

Even if the over/under was 35.5 wins, I’m not sure they’d reach the over.  This roster is drastically worse than last year.

[ptatc]

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

We failed last year completely.   Offense.  Defense.  Pitching.  Minor Leagues gave us nothing.  We made terrible trades, and failed at churning the waiver wire.  You don't lose 121 games because of a bad offense. 

True. Which is why they revamped the entire organization. However, the pitching wasn't too bad. It was more the offense being historically bad.

The organization now boasts a top 5 or so minor league system. No guarantee they can do anything with it, but I'm interested to see what the new group can do.

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, fathom said:

Even if the over/under was 35.5 wins, I’m not sure they’d reach the over.  This roster is drastically worse than last year.

At that point, why not just say you think the team will go 0-162? 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

13 hours ago, T R U said:

There’s no way they were trying to tank. Getz has no business being a GM, that’s not his fault though it’s the owners fault for looking at his decaying organization and refusing to do the hard reboot that was needed. We were told it wasn’t a rebuild, we were told that we were owed not wasting any time and yet here we are today as the worst team in baseball history. 
 

I would be much more patient and understanding had they just done the right thing from the beginning but we just got fed a load of crap. This team won’t be good this year, and won’t be good next year. Again, would love to be proven wrong but I work for a man who has a great saying “crash jobs usually do.” 

They were trying to tank. The 2023 team had 101 losses and anyone with any value was traded by Hahn and Kenny at the trade deadline for prospects. What did you think that was all about ? So the owner lied to us. Most didn't believe him anyway but I guess some did and we keep hearing about it. We knew very early there was no budget for the 2024 .We knew that in December of 2023. Getz talked about changing the culture and better defense but he had hardly any money to spend just like now.

Unfortunately he's learning on the job and he's made mistakes. The Fedde, Kopech, Pham trade was weird and bad. But I don't think he crippled the franchise going forward.

He's made a lot of smart hires this off season and there's a lot of pitching depth and he finally found a team willing to give up decent position player prospects . That hasnt been easy in the environment of prospect hugging .Even then I don't think it hurt the Red Sox all that much. They kept their top 3 position player prospects and dealt their # 4 and 5 .

If you want to see progress and not a record like 2024 you're going to have to accept the fact that the bullpen and hitting need to get better soon to make up for the loss of Crochet and Fedde. Young starting pitchers and young bullpen pitchers too. But again JR isn't allowing him to spend that much money. We may not see any multi years contracts like we saw Fedde get 2 years last off season.

But as much as you seem to dislike Getz there's no way he thought they could compete in 2024 with Fedde  and a bunch of garbage pail signings.

Crochet wanted to be a starting pitcher so Getz said Ok. Probably thought he's got a great arm .I got some great pitching coaches. Let's give it a shot and maybe we can get something good for him because there's no way  JR would approve an extension and we need some hitters. Not many here expected it to turn out as well as it did.  He got some decent AA arms for Eloy and Grossman

I'm theory no you don't want to trade an 18 yr old for a 32 year old like what just happened but there is a surplus of arms but still maybe not enough MLB arms if you want some positive WAR in the BP. At least you got 3 options and a few years to see if he can be flipped for more .

Rebuilds are also harder now with anti tanking rules that deprive the really bad teams of high draft choices in consecutive years which is why teams are position player prospects clutching. They don't get injured for as long as pitchers who need TJ surgery. But guys like Burger, Eloy, Moncada and Robert defied that logic multiple times.

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

True. Which is why they revamped the entire organization. However, the pitching wasn't too bad. It was more the offense being historically bad.

The organization now boasts a top 5 or so minor league system. No guarantee they can do anything with it, but I'm interested to see what the new group can do.

I bet you made this same post during the last rebuild.  🤣

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

True. Which is why they revamped the entire organization. However, the pitching wasn't too bad. It was more the offense being historically bad.

The organization now boasts a top 5 or so minor league system. No guarantee they can do anything with it, but I'm interested to see what the new group can do.

We did before the last rebuild too.  Again, we've been here before.