Balta1701 Posted Friday at 04:08 PM Share Posted Friday at 04:08 PM 1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said: Clevinger was a 3 WAR pitcher for the Sox. First of all, 2.1 fWAR. Secondly, he was -0.1 fWAR when they boldly resigned him when for some reason no one in the league would trade for him the previous year and for some reason no one would sign him at all despite him putting up a 2.2 fWAR season the previous year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted Friday at 05:36 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:36 PM 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: First of all, 2.1 fWAR. Secondly, he was -0.1 fWAR when they boldly resigned him when for some reason no one in the league would trade for him the previous year and for some reason no one would sign him at all despite him putting up a 2.2 fWAR season the previous year. Agreed. He was surplus value. Fantastic signing. We'll be lucky if Wilson is as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Friday at 05:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 05:38 PM 5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Agreed. He was surplus value. Fantastic signing. We'll be lucky if Wilson is as good. So $3 million for -0.1 fWAR is surplus value? With no ability to trade him and thus not even a reliever coming back for him? Explain to me how this works I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted Friday at 06:08 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:08 PM 32 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: So $3 million for -0.1 fWAR is surplus value? With no ability to trade him and thus not even a reliever coming back for him? Explain to me how this works I'm confused. I said "as a White Sox." Between Clevinger and Fedde, Getz has done a fantastic job signing FA pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Friday at 06:22 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:22 PM 15 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: I said "as a White Sox." Between Clevinger and Fedde, Getz has done a fantastic job signing FA pitchers. Chris Getz signed Clevinger for $3 million as a free agent and got -0.1 fWAR out of him. How exactly is that a good signing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted Friday at 07:20 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:20 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Chris Getz signed Clevinger for $3 million as a free agent and got -0.1 fWAR out of him. How exactly is that a good signing? Clevinger was worth $22.5M in WAR for the Sox and was paid $12M. Fantastic value. . Edited Friday at 07:20 PM by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Friday at 07:38 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:38 PM 18 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: Clevinger was worth $22.5M in WAR for the Sox and was paid $12M. Fantastic value. . Rick Hahn signed Clevinger without doing a background check on him, and had to admit he wouldn't have done that signing had he done his due diligence. He got fired. Literally all of Clevinger's performance came from Rick Hahn. Chris Getz signed known domestic abuser Clevinger for $3 million, at a time when no one around the league other than Chris Getz would touch him. He was a full free agent again, so the White Sox could have gone elsewhere, he could have gone to Korea, whatever. He was worth -$0.9 million. I will take $2 million to produce 0 War sitting on my ass and that would make me a better signing than Clevinger was for Getz. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Friday at 10:11 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:11 PM 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Rick Hahn signed Clevinger without doing a background check on him, and had to admit he wouldn't have done that signing had he done his due diligence. He got fired. Literally all of Clevinger's performance came from Rick Hahn. Chris Getz signed known domestic abuser Clevinger for $3 million, at a time when no one around the league other than Chris Getz would touch him. He was a full free agent again, so the White Sox could have gone elsewhere, he could have gone to Korea, whatever. He was worth -$0.9 million. I will take $2 million to produce 0 War sitting on my ass and that would make me a better signing than Clevinger was for Getz. Isn't the rumor that both times involved one of the owners of the team being good friends with him and is also a garbage human? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 10:29 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:29 PM 21 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Isn't the rumor that both times involved one of the owners of the team being good friends with him and is also a garbage human? That's the one I heard. That might have been here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted Friday at 10:52 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:52 PM 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Rick Hahn signed Clevinger without doing a background check on him, and had to admit he wouldn't have done that signing had he done his due diligence. He got fired. Literally all of Clevinger's performance came from Rick Hahn. Chris Getz signed known domestic abuser Clevinger for $3 million, at a time when no one around the league other than Chris Getz would touch him. He was a full free agent again, so the White Sox could have gone elsewhere, he could have gone to Korea, whatever. He was worth -$0.9 million. I will take $2 million to produce 0 War sitting on my ass and that would make me a better signing than Clevinger was for Getz. The tremendous value we got out of Clevinger was a team effort. You're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 11:02 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:02 PM (edited) 20 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: The tremendous value we got out of Clevinger was a team effort. You're right. Clevinger’s value was really only in what he could return in a trade. No one wanted him because of the shitstorm surrounding him. So while it’s great that he put up a 3 WAR for Rick Hahn and his 61-101 team in 2023, ultimately who cares? The Sox paid him $15 million over two seasons and have nothing to show for it. Now, no team even wants him, but I’m sure Clevinger is still enjoying that $15 million dollars for 24 good starts in 2023. Edited Friday at 11:09 PM by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Friday at 11:42 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:42 PM 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: That's the one I heard. That might have been here. It was definitely shared here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted Friday at 11:47 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:47 PM 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It was definitely shared here. The woman who alleged the abuse case tweeted that it was the case, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Saturday at 12:01 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:01 AM 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Clevinger’s value was really only in what he could return in a trade. No one wanted him because of the shitstorm surrounding him. So while it’s great that he put up a 3 WAR for Rick Hahn and his 61-101 team in 2023, ultimately who cares? The Sox paid him $15 million over two seasons and have nothing to show for it. Now, no team even wants him, but I’m sure Clevinger is still enjoying that $15 million dollars for 24 good starts in 2023. I'll agree that Clevenger's only value would have been in trade. But we already saw that nobody wanted to pick him off waivers just for the price of his contract in 23. His signing in 24 was a pure desperation move to get any innings from a competent pitcher, and he failed at that. I'd love to never hear his name or see his ferret face again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Saturday at 01:22 AM Share Posted Saturday at 01:22 AM (edited) 7 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: I said "as a White Sox." Between Clevinger and Fedde, Getz has done a fantastic job signing FA pitchers. You're completely discounting the impact he had on Sox PR as well as the fractured clubhouse...would you dare hire him to coach your kid, for example? Probably not. And his health was always going to be murky at best, which was the final nail in the coffin for his lack of "tradability." Edited Saturday at 01:24 AM by caulfield12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted Saturday at 05:13 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:13 PM 15 hours ago, caulfield12 said: You're completely discounting the impact he had on Sox PR as well as the fractured clubhouse...would you dare hire him to coach your kid, for example? Probably not. And his health was always going to be murky at best, which was the final nail in the coffin for his lack of "tradability." The Sox didn't receive much national scrutiny, and the average fan didn't care that he was falsely accused of domestic violence. The clubhouse was fractured by Grandal and Lynn, not Clevinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Saturday at 05:25 PM Share Posted Saturday at 05:25 PM 14 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: The Sox didn't receive much national scrutiny, and the average fan didn't care that he was falsely accused of domestic violence. The clubhouse was fractured by Grandal and Lynn, not Clevinger. Why has moved around to so many teams and never found a long-term home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie for Manager Posted Sunday at 12:14 AM Share Posted Sunday at 12:14 AM On 12/20/2024 at 6:02 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Clevinger’s value was really only in what he could return in a trade. No one wanted him because of the shitstorm surrounding him. So while it’s great that he put up a 3 WAR for Rick Hahn and his 61-101 team in 2023, ultimately who cares? The Sox paid him $15 million over two seasons and have nothing to show for it. Now, no team even wants him, but I’m sure Clevinger is still enjoying that $15 million dollars for 24 good starts in 2023. To be fair most of the 15 million went to his defense attorneys 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Sunday at 02:17 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:17 PM (edited) 21 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: The Sox didn't receive much national scrutiny, and the average fan didn't care that he was falsely accused of domestic violence. The clubhouse was fractured by Grandal and Lynn, not Clevinger. Clevinger has been one of the most unliked players in baseball (by his peers) for nearly as long as he's been in the league. The only guy he got along with was Bauer - another guy no one liked. Edit: and it had nothing to do with politics. Majority of big leaguers are conservative. Edited Sunday at 02:47 PM by Look at Ray Ray Run 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted Sunday at 02:22 PM Share Posted Sunday at 02:22 PM Since I always hate on moves on this board, I'll say I like this signing as well. Bryse isn't a star by any means, but he's shown an ability to keep guys off balance and get more from his stuff than it plays. He might be a 4.5 ERA guy, but he's a nice swing arm who can go long relief and start about 10-12 games a year in a pinch. For this price, this is a nice viable bullpen piece who will for sure get lit up sometimes, but should be able to eat enough innings in spots designed for him to do so to be worth his roster spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Sunday at 03:13 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:13 PM 50 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Since I always hate on moves on this board, I'll say I like this signing as well. Bryse isn't a star by any means, but he's shown an ability to keep guys off balance and get more from his stuff than it plays. He might be a 4.5 ERA guy, but he's a nice swing arm who can go long relief and start about 10-12 games a year in a pinch. For this price, this is a nice viable bullpen piece who will for sure get lit up sometimes, but should be able to eat enough innings in spots designed for him to do so to be worth his roster spot. Agreed. Is it a bit surprising that all he could get is $1.05 million after his last two seasons of performance? I mean, he made a million from the Brewers last year. Seems like he might have a bad agent or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Sunday at 04:53 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:53 PM 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. Is it a bit surprising that all he could get is $1.05 million after his last two seasons of performance? I mean, he made a million from the Brewers last year. Seems like he might have a bad agent or something. I think it might be the same factor that played into the wan interest for Fedde at the TDL. GMs love those gaudy, double digit K/9 rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted Sunday at 05:10 PM Share Posted Sunday at 05:10 PM 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Clevinger has been one of the most unliked players in baseball (by his peers) for nearly as long as he's been in the league. The only guy he got along with was Bauer - another guy no one liked. Edit: and it had nothing to do with politics. Majority of big leaguers are conservative. He got along with Cease and Giolito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted Sunday at 06:15 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:15 PM 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. Is it a bit surprising that all he could get is $1.05 million after his last two seasons of performance? I mean, he made a million from the Brewers last year. Seems like he might have a bad agent or something. Makes me wonder if the Sox promised him 20+ starts by the TDL or something. No way he couldn’t have got an equal or better deal with a better org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Sunday at 06:24 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:24 PM 10 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: Makes me wonder if the Sox promised him 20+ starts by the TDL or something. No way he couldn’t have got an equal or better deal with a better org He's coming in with a promise that he is competing for a rotation spot. And why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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