CWS Acquire Reliever Cam Booser from BOS

[southsider2k5]

12 minutes ago, Quin said:

The Dodgers also have two World Series championships and have been to the playoffs 11 years in a row, so they get a pass.

I wish we could fail even a fraction of this hard.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And how about Josh Fields and Casey Blake? Because those were the returns for Yordan Alvarez and Carlos Santana. Pretty bad.

And the Red Sox famously traded Curt Shilling, Brady Anderson and Jeff Bagwell in failed bids to bulk up for the '88 and '90 playoffs. I'm sure that's what made Craig Breslow's eyes glaze over in his zombie-like transformation, and he declared, "must ... trade ... valued ... prospects ... to ... white sox!" Because, historically, that's what the Red Sox have done. 

Because of the previous regime's neglect of the farm system, KW/Hahn were forced to deal from a paucity of talent to supplement their roster. I would think that stories about how we passed on drafting Ron Guidry or trading Bobby Bonilla have as much bearing as the trade of Semien or Tatis, right now. 

[Kyyle23]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

And the Red Sox famously traded Curt Shilling, Brady Anderson and Jeff Bagwell in failed bids to bulk up for the '88 and '90 playoffs. I'm sure that's what made Craig Breslow's eyes glaze over in his zombie-like transformation, and he declared, "must ... trade ... valued ... prospects ... to ... white sox!" Because, historically, that's what the Red Sox have done. 

Because of the previous regime's neglect of the farm system, KW/Hahn were forced to deal from a paucity of talent to supplement their roster. I would think that stories about how we passed on drafting Ron Guidry or trading Bobby Bonilla have as much bearing as the trade of Semien or Tatis, right now. 

Wait a minute, KW was in charge of the minors before he took over as GM.  He was part of that problem, was he not?

sounds so familiar I can’t put my finger on it 

 

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Wait a minute, KW was in charge of the minors before he took over as GM.  He was part of that problem, was he not?

sounds so familiar I can’t put my finger on it 

 

Nah, everything is new, better, and different now.  All good!

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Wait a minute, KW was in charge of the minors before he took over as GM.  He was part of that problem, was he not?

sounds so familiar I can’t put my finger on it 

 

Where the philosophy was typically to dump prospects for much more reliable veteran players...which eventually proved to be unsustainable as the 2005 WS team gradually withered away on the vine.

But it was a competitive/at least "in the game" model for 13 years.  And the Sox were certainly relevant as a historic franchise with an identifiable branding/logo.

[Boopa1219]

I get the logic of this move but I wish they didn’t make it, I know the player they sent is a true lottery ticket but they need all the ones they can get 

[Chick Mercedes]

On 12/21/2024 at 5:11 PM, WestEddy said:

Yhoiker Fajardo - 17 year old struck out 64 in 50 innings in the DSL. Actually an interesting prospect. 

There’s no logic here, other than Sox logic

[Chick Mercedes]

On 12/21/2024 at 6:17 PM, PaleAleSox said:

I think he means the Sox think they'll be able to trade Booser at a later date for something better than Fajardo.

Speaking of bingo cards, The Sox playing 3 D chess was not on mine

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

18 hours ago, Quin said:

The Dodgers also have two World Series championships and have been to the playoffs 11 years in a row, so they get a pass.

And that was my point. Even a great organization like the Dodgers makes many mistakes in trades so the Sox list you cited just isn't all that unique. Could make a similar list for basically every team if going back 15 years.

[Snopek]

9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And that was my point. Even a great organization like the Dodgers makes many mistakes in trades so the Sox list you cited just isn't all that unique. Could make a similar list for basically every team if going back 15 years.

Right, and many teams are run well enough where they can absorb those mistakes and still be successful.

Meanwhile, because the Sox have been bad at almost everything, they have way less margin for error. They don’t have other strengths to fall back on, and it’s nobody’s fault but their own.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

42 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Right, and many teams are run well enough where they can absorb those mistakes and still be successful.

Meanwhile, because the Sox have been bad at almost everything, they have way less margin for error. They don’t have other strengths to fall back on, and it’s nobody’s fault but their own.

Every Sox mistake is magnified because their margin of error is so slim. Every mistake is cast under a microscope because of organizational issues that start with ownership. That’s a separate discussion.

[Texsox]

I'll take a MLB ready player over a kid at the lowest rung of the ladder. If he's eating any innings in June we can pick up a AA arm for him. 

Plus now we have a pitcher that really understands framing. 

[oldsox]

I bet Fajardo was well scouted by Boston, and they know as much as our guys know about this young pitcher, including the size of his signing bonus a year ago. Color me skeptical. Plus, it frees up a roster spot for Boston.

[PaleAleSox]

1 hour ago, oldsox said:

I bet Fajardo was well scouted by Boston, and they know as much as our guys know about this young pitcher, including the size of his signing bonus a year ago. Color me skeptical. Plus, it frees up a roster spot for Boston.

Not every move by another team is some incredibly calculated genius move. The Red Sox must have set themselves up incredibly well when they traded Mookie Betts, right? 

[Texsox]

41 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Not every move by another team is some incredibly calculated genius move. The Red Sox must have set themselves up incredibly well when they traded Mookie Betts, right? 

When you have been outmanoeuvred by every other MLB team for a decade, it's easy to believe that other teams know more. 

At a minimum expecting every trade to go well for our competition and every trade go bad for us, means you would be correct way more time than wrong. 

[Texsox]

22 hours ago, Texsox said:

I'll take a MLB ready player over a kid at the lowest rung of the ladder. If he's eating any innings in June we can pick up a AA arm for him. 

Plus now we have a pitcher that really understands framing. 

And really, no love for the framing joke? He was a carpenter. I hope for at least one laugh. 😂 

 

[caulfield12]

23 hours ago, Texsox said:

I'll take a MLB ready player over a kid at the lowest rung of the ladder. If he's eating any innings in June we can pick up a AA arm for him. 

Plus now we have a pitcher that really understands framing. 

This sounds like the precise KW/JR philosophy for 13 years...the farm system was typically for trading potential/possibility for established veterans the managers trusted more to play...at least for the most part.

But that requires winning the majority of your trades, not just 20-30%.

[Stinky Stanky]

On 12/21/2024 at 4:39 PM, caulfield12 said:

Thought it was Carlos Boozer's son and a basketball player but alas.

Maybe the plan is turning over bullpen 100% every year. 

Considering his age, coulda been Bob Boozer's son. 😁

[wrathofhahn]

On 12/21/2024 at 5:37 PM, PaleAleSox said:

Sat out for four years. Not a lot of miles on the arm.

He was a carpenter though.

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, wrathofhahn said:

He was a carpenter though.

Jesus was a carpenter too, and one of us.