Buehrle>Wood Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 (edited) Edited December 21, 2024 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 Fantastic trade for AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 That’s…a crappy return for Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:04 PM, fathom said: Fantastic trade for AZ Expand On 12/21/2024 at 11:07 PM, hogan873 said: That’s…a crappy return for Cleveland. Expand Yep, what the heck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 Damn apparently Cleveland is that hard up for cash that they’re trading Naylor for a draft pick? Also, how the hell did the Yankees not beat this offer instead of signing 37 year old Goldschmidt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:11 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep, what the heck? Expand Naylor's set to make $14mil and Manzardo will make $750k. Manzardo is likely better too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:21 PM, nrockway said: Naylor's set to make $14mil and Manzardo will make $750k. Manzardo is likely better too. Expand And then they burn $12 million on old man Santana anyways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 21, 2024 Author Share Posted December 21, 2024 Think I'd much rather have Naylor at 14 million than Santana at 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:24 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: And then they burn $12 million on old man Santana anyways. Expand yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:04 PM, fathom said: Fantastic trade for AZ Expand Thank god that big bastard is out of the division. He was on a Mike Sweeney level all time Sox killer trajectory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:19 PM, TheFutureIsNear said: Damn apparently Cleveland is that hard up for cash that they’re trading Naylor for a draft pick? Also, how the hell did the Yankees not beat this offer instead of signing 37 year old Goldschmidt? Expand I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 Maybe Cleveland’s buffet budget was out of control with him around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:37 PM, ptatc said: I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026. Expand But they really only saved $2 million for next season’s payroll, as they just signed Carlos Santana for $12 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:31 PM, Harold's Leg Lift said: Thank god that big bastard is out of the division. He was on a Mike Sweeney level all time Sox killer trajectory. Expand Let’s hope his brothers don’t carry the torch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:52 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: But they really only saved $2 million for next season’s payroll, as they just signed Carlos Santana for $12 million. Expand I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can. How long was Naylor under Cleveland control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 Always getting hurt and must have been concerned about his conditioning…but production-wise, yuck. Depends on Manzardo taking the next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/22/2024 at 12:00 AM, ptatc said: I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can. How long was Naylor under Cleveland control? Expand But then turning around and signing Santana at his age is puzzling at best. At some point he will fall off a cliff like Abreu did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 Slade Cecconi is totally going to become another strong reliever for them isn’t he 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/22/2024 at 12:00 AM, ptatc said: I know. That's really shows something. It doesn't look like it was for talent. Looks like they are trying to save everything they can. How long was Naylor under Cleveland control? Expand Should be a free agent next offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/22/2024 at 12:06 AM, Balta1701 said: Should be a free agent next offseason Expand Yeah, they knew they weren't going to re-sign him so they got at least something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/21/2024 at 11:37 PM, ptatc said: I think all of these RSN going under is going to change the face of baseball and will lead to a long lockout in 2026. Expand The Athletic earlier this week had a story asking the same question although the way they phrased it, it would be because the owners yet again would be willing to shut down a season to try to get a salary cap instituted. Good luck with that folks! The good news will be that unlike in 1981 and 1994 it won't hurt good Sox teams or blunt positive momentum because the team will be awful again that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/22/2024 at 1:13 AM, Lip Man 1 said: The Athletic earlier this week had a story asking the same question although the way they phrased it, it would be because the owners yet again would be willing to shut down a season to try to get a salary cap instituted. Good luck with that folks! The good news will be that unlike in 1981 and 1994 it won't hurt good Sox teams or blunt positive momentum because the team will be awful again that year. Expand I'm at the point that if baseball goes away for 2 seasons , I'm completely fine with that. They need a cap, and as important, they need a floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 That dude killed us glad he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 On 12/22/2024 at 3:28 AM, SoCalChiSox said: That dude killed us glad he's gone. Expand lmao everyone kills us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted December 22, 2024 Share Posted December 22, 2024 (edited) On 12/22/2024 at 12:04 AM, Balta1701 said: Slade Cecconi is totally going to become another strong reliever for them isn’t he Expand I bet they try him as a starter, right? He has the pitch mix and it's his fastball that got touched up (though sits at 95mph) despite being projected as someone who "needs to work on his offspeed to be a starter". The offspeed stuff is OK. He hasn't looked very good in the majors and had more success as a reliever at AAA. But Cleveland is a competent organization so I imagine it's a little more than a salary dump and I think he gets some starts or otherwise acts as a swingman. I potentially like the trade for CLE more than for AZ. AZ is replacing Walker with Naylor which seems like a downgrade or at least a lateral move. They could've paid Walker $6m more AAV than Naylor and kept him. I liked the Gimenez trade too, Cleveland trades their guys at the right time, I don't think Naylor or Gimenez are going to play better baseball than they have going forward. Naylor kills the Sox, but he kinda sucks, his 162 game average WAR is 1.6. Eerily close batting numbers as Andrew Vaughn at more than twice the price. Edited December 22, 2024 by nrockway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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