White Sox Projected Rotations

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t see a reason to sign Flexen at this point.  Wilson will likely compete with Smith (and others) for the #5 spot coming out of spring training.  Loser will likely be the swing man to start the year.  Scholtens will be at some point.  And then you have a ton of arms in AAA right on the cusp.

If you want to add more SP depth, I’d do so on a minor league deal and not sure Flexen is going to be game for that.

We are going to go through a TON of pitchers again.

[Buehrle>Wood]

18 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

This team could you an extra long-reliever or two with how inexperienced and young the rotation is.

I think they just "need" a veteran starter regardless.

[Bob Sacamano]

33 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Isn't that the guy they signed from the Brewers?

 

"Extra long-reliever or two" as in carry 2 or 3. Not just one.

[Chicago White Sox]

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

We are going to go through a TON of pitchers again.

We will, but you only have so many major league roster spots.  We will likely need to rely on guys like Nastrini, Bush, & Iriarte (and eventually Adams) to make a lot of starts.  We also have Shuster & Scholtens to fill in as necessary.  I think that should be plenty with a couple AAAA type signings.

[Bob Sacamano]

21 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

I think they just "need" a veteran starter regardless.

Take on Jordan Montgomery as a salary dump with a prospect. See if he can bounce back with a normal off-season/Spring Training.

[southsider2k5]

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

We will, but you only have so many major league roster spots.  We will likely need to rely on guys like Nastrini, Bush, & Iriarte (and eventually Adams) to make a lot of starts.  We also have Shuster & Scholtens to fill in as necessary.  I think that should be plenty with a couple AAAA type signings.

There will also be plenty of injuries and DFA's.  This staff is going to go through 25-30 pitchers by the end of the year.

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Isn't that the guy they signed from the Brewers?

 

Bryse Wilson, yes

[WhiteSox2023]

5 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Take on Jordan Montgomery as a salary dump with a prospect. See if he can bounce back with a normal off-season/Spring Training.

Unfortunately, it’s getting pretty obvious that the Sox are only interested in dumping salary, not taking any on.  I doubt Jerry would approve the wise move you suggest that other smart teams have done before when their payroll is so low and rebuilding is the current strategy.

Edited December 24, 2024 by WhiteSox2023

[caulfield12]

7 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Take on Jordan Montgomery as a salary dump with a prospect. See if he can bounce back with a normal off-season/Spring Training.

$22.5 million and coming off a 1.65 WHIP and 67 ERA+???

What kind of Diamondbacks prospect are we talking, because JR's seemingly planning a $50 million-ish target for Sox 2025 payroll and that alone would represent a 45% increase.

 

The Benintendi Experience is enough to scare them off multi-year contracts for veterans in their 30's, lol.  There's just no way that JR would even consider it, even for even a Top 30-50 MiLB prospect.

[hi8is]

8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

There will also be plenty of injuries and DFA's.  This staff is going to go through 25-30 pitchers by the end of the year.

We shall be gloriously awful again.

[WestEddy]

On 12/23/2024 at 11:26 PM, caulfield12 said:

$22.5 million and coming off a 1.65 WHIP and 67 ERA+???

What kind of Diamondbacks prospect are we talking, because JR's seemingly planning a $50 million-ish target for Sox 2025 payroll and that alone would represent a 45% increase.

 

The Benintendi Experience is enough to scare them off multi-year contracts for veterans in their 30's, lol.  There's just no way that JR would even consider it, even for even a Top 30-50 MiLB prospect.

The most expensive Cuban exiles don't cost that much. And the 1-1 slot of this last year's draft was less than half of that. 

The way people wail about paying Mike Soroka $3 million to turn out to be a good reliever, imagine taking on $22.5 million to watch the equivalent of Nick Nastrini's 2024 production, just for the privilege of taking on another Dominick Fletcher. 

[WhiteSox2023]

25 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The most expensive Cuban exiles don't cost that much. And the 1-1 slot of this last year's draft was less than half of that. 

The way people wail about paying Mike Soroka $3 million to turn out to be a good reliever, imagine taking on $22.5 million to watch the equivalent of Nick Nastrini's 2024 production, just for the privilege of taking on another Dominick Fletcher. 

Most people were more upset about the Bummer trade meaning that Nicky Lopez was immediately our starting 2B making $4.3 million, considering he sucks.

Also, Soroka was acquired to be one of the top starters in the Sox rotation, where he sucked horribly.  He actually started the second game of the season after Crochet.  He only had the chance to excel as a reliever because he failed so miserably in Getz’s initially intended role.  In the end, none of it mattered because Getz couldn’t trade either player for anything at the deadline.

Edited December 28, 2024 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Most people were more upset about the Bummer trade meaning that Nicky Lopez was immediately our starting 2B making $4.3 million, considering he sucks.

Also, Soroka was acquired to be one of the top starters in the Sox rotation, where he sucked horribly.  He actually started the second game of the season after Crochet.  He only had the chance to excel as a reliever because he failed so miserably in Getz’s initially intended role.  In the end, none of it mattered because Getz couldn’t trade either player for anything at the deadline.

Missing the point, yet again. Soroka was expected to be a rehab project, which he was. 

"Flipping" a player is one benefit of having a player on your roster. Another little known benefit is that these players can actually play in baseball games, all of which have 9 defensive positions to be covered for the entirety of the game. 

Please tell me about all these deals where a team gets a top prospect for taking on money. 

[WhiteSox2023]

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Missing the point, yet again. Soroka was expected to be a rehab project, which he was. 

"Flipping" a player is one benefit of having a player on your roster. Another little known benefit is that these players can actually play in baseball games, all of which have 9 defensive positions to be covered for the entirety of the game. 

Please tell me about all these deals where a team gets a top prospect for taking on money. 

Soroka was acquired to be one of the top starters in the Sox rotation, project or not.  That was pretty obvious from the beginning.  He started the second game of the season.

Other than developing your own players, flipping players should be pretty much the main goal of one-year/short-term acquisitions such as these when you know your team is going to be horrible.  The problem is, most of the players Getz acquired sucked.

I think it’s possible to “buy a prospect” but like you said, you aren’t getting a top prospect for eating a bad contract.  But it’s not a strategy Jerry would ever approve so it’s likely not worth discussing.

Edited December 28, 2024 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I think it’s possible to “buy a prospect” but like you said, you aren’t getting a top prospect for eating a bad contract.  But it’s not a strategy Jerry would ever approve so it’s likely not worth discussing.

Which was the whole point of my comment. I'm not sure what is "wise" about taking on $22.5 million for a really bad pitcher to get another guy who could top out as a utility infielder.

No, Jerry Reinsdorf shouldn't approve that. They have the makings of a stable rotation with Cannon, Martin, Burke, Thorpe, Wilson and Smith, plus Bush, Adams, Nastrini and Iriarte in AAA. 

[WhiteSox2023]

9 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Which was the whole point of my comment. I'm not sure what is "wise" about taking on $22.5 million for a really bad pitcher to get another guy who could top out as a utility infielder.

No, Jerry Reinsdorf shouldn't approve that. They have the makings of a stable rotation with Cannon, Martin, Burke, Thorpe, Wilson and Smith, plus Bush, Adams, Nastrini and Iriarte in AAA. 

Why are you worried about Jerry’s money, especially this season?  The payroll is around $60 million.  He should be approving anything that brings in more talent.  Also, half of the pitchers you mentioned will bust just like @southsider2k5 always says.

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Why are you worried about Jerry’s money, especially this season?  The payroll is around $60 million.  He should be approving anything that brings in more talent.  Also, half of the pitchers you mentioned will bust just like @southsider2k5 always says.

I don't know. You complain about every single expenditure, so maybe you can speak to that. I like the thought process behind bringing in a great arm to rehab for $3 million for the chance that he pops, and then you have a valuable piece. Montgomery is a junk-baller who may bounce back, but then you're probably eating some of the $7.5 million due him for the remainder of 2025 to trade him. 

I'm all for Reinsdorf spending more money. I don't need him to pay a beer vendor $1 billion to prove he wants to win, or something. 

[Snopek]

49 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Soroka was acquired to be one of the top starters in the Sox rotation, project or not.  That was pretty obvious from the beginning.  He started the second game of the season.

What does this even mean?

If you're saying they were hoping he'd be one of the top starters, sure, why not. If you're saying they were expecting him to be one of the top starters, I'd like to know where you're getting your information from.

[WhiteSox2023]

15 minutes ago, Snopek said:

What does this even mean?

If you're saying they were hoping he'd be one of the top starters, sure, why not. If you're saying they were expecting him to be one of the top starters, I'd like to know where you're getting your information from.

We are talking about the White Sox, an utterly cheap team that enters most seasons without even having a fifth starter.  Remember when the Sox signed Cueto a week or so after the season had already started?  Haha…

Just like Flexen was signed for peanuts to be the Sox #4/#5 starter, Soroka was acquired to be their #2/#3 starter.  Getz had it all planned out in his head when he acquired both bums.

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-2024-opening-day-roster

Edited December 28, 2024 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

We are talking about the White Sox, an utterly cheap team that enters most seasons without even having a fifth starter.  Remember when the Sox signed Cueto a week or so after the season had already started?  Haha…

Just like Flexen was signed for peanuts to be the Sox #4/#5 starter, Soroka was acquired to be their #2/#3 starter.  Getz had it all planned out in his head when he acquired both bums.

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-2024-opening-day-roster

 

The '22 team came into the season with Cease, Giolito, Kopech, Lynn and Keuchell as their rotation. They had Jimmy Lambert and Davis Martin starting at AAA. They picked up Vince Velazquez and Johnny Cueto after spring training started. Pretty light considering what a club needs for the season, but not exactly what you describe. 

I don't remember anybody making any proclamations that Soroka was the #2 starter. If you do, please link to a story about that. 

I always understood the acquisitions of Fedde, Soroka and Flexen to have been a package gamble that one or more of them could be "fixed". 

[vilehoopster]

https://www.mlb.com/news/2024-25-mlb-free-agent-fits-for-every-team

MLB.com put out of list of "One free agent suggestion for every team". Now Merkin wrote the blurb for the Sox in this MLB article, but I agree with it 100%. I would love for the Sox to sign and bring back Jose Quintana. Like Merkin, I'm not optimistic the Sox management would be willing to put up the money, but I have such fond memories of Quintana that I would really enjoy seeing him in a Sox uniform again. 

In all honesty, I'm not sure that Quintana would be really much better than whoever the Sox have slated at the bottom of their rotation, but still, I would really like to have him back here throwing for the White Sox. 

One thing about Quintana, and Sale too. When they were throwing for the Sox, I used to feel so sorry for them both because they always seemed to get so little offensive support. They both seemed never to get enough runs to help them out if they made the slightest mistake while pitching for those old Sox teams. The funny thing is that that Sox lineup and offense back when they both threw for the Sox would be like a Murderers Row compared to the Sox bats/ offense in '24 and probably in '25. 

[Lip Man 1]

26 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/2024-25-mlb-free-agent-fits-for-every-team

MLB.com put out of list of "One free agent suggestion for every team". Now Merkin wrote the blurb for the Sox in this MLB article, but I agree with it 100%. I would love for the Sox to sign and bring back Jose Quintana. Like Merkin, I'm not optimistic the Sox management would be willing to put up the money, but I have such fond memories of Quintana that I would really enjoy seeing him in a Sox uniform again. 

In all honesty, I'm not sure that Quintana would be really much better than whoever the Sox have slated at the bottom of their rotation, but still, I would really like to have him back here throwing for the White Sox. 

One thing about Quintana, and Sale too. When they were throwing for the Sox, I used to feel so sorry for them both because they always seemed to get so little offensive support. They both seemed never to get enough runs to help them out if they made the slightest mistake while pitching for those old Sox teams. The funny thing is that that Sox lineup and offense back when they both threw for the Sox would be like a Murderers Row compared to the Sox bats/ offense in '24 and probably in '25. 

If I remember right Q had something like 55-60 no decisions in his starts for the Sox. 

[southsider2k5]

15 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

If I remember right Q had something like 55-60 no decisions in his starts for the Sox. 

Except they wouldn't be ND's with this offense.

[southsider2k5]

On 12/28/2024 at 3:15 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

We are talking about the White Sox, an utterly cheap team that enters most seasons without even having a fifth starter.  Remember when the Sox signed Cueto a week or so after the season had already started?  Haha…

Just like Flexen was signed for peanuts to be the Sox #4/#5 starter, Soroka was acquired to be their #2/#3 starter.  Getz had it all planned out in his head when he acquired both bums.

https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-2024-opening-day-roster

 

And at the end of the day the list of names of guys who will start this year for the Sox is almost exclusively made up of guys who have top ceilings in the 3rd to 5th starter range, and that is everything goes right for them.  I still think Thorpe is the one guy who could be a front line guy if he figures out how to pitch at this level, but reminiscent of Mark Buehrle, his off days would make him t-ball practice as he doesn't have the pure stuff to miss bats when off.  And while thinking of ceilings is important, remember every single pitcher on this list is ultra young in terms of MLB experience and still has to figure out the mental approach of being a MLB pitcher.  When you ceiling is back end rotation, again, there isn't much room for error and learning on the job.  With a group like this you hope you get decent progress out of a few of these guys, and then start to sort through who the never will be's (which will be many) actually are.  This is a year where we actually should learn about how good Bannister and Katz actually are.

[steveno89]

On 12/28/2024 at 2:13 PM, WhiteSox2023 said:

Soroka was acquired to be one of the top starters in the Sox rotation, project or not.  That was pretty obvious from the beginning.  He started the second game of the season.

Other than developing your own players, flipping players should be pretty much the main goal of one-year/short-term acquisitions such as these when you know your team is going to be horrible.  The problem is, most of the players Getz acquired sucked.

I think it’s possible to “buy a prospect” but like you said, you aren’t getting a top prospect for eating a bad contract.  But it’s not a strategy Jerry would ever approve so it’s likely not worth discussing.

I do not see Montgomery as being realistic, unless Arizona was willing to eat $10-12 million